Tankless water heaters!
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With a cost at $1500 for a tankless system you would see a good return in savings. A Water heaters life expectancy is about 8-10 Years (Max) and a small 150L tank costing about $800 (GVRD Prices).
Tankless systems can go on for at least 20 years, and parts can be replaced.
Just on the sytems you would be saving money.
Tankless systems can go on for at least 20 years, and parts can be replaced.
Just on the sytems you would be saving money.

8-10 years is a minimum life expectancy for a decent tank, not a max... we replaced our last one in year 17. Paid nowhere near $800 for the replacement. Where I live, (northern Ohio, USA) the numbers would never add up.
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I guess the laws of Physics work differently in Ohio. A 17 year old tank is antique by industry guidelines, (you probably have an electric unit) I'd have a good plumber on standby if I was you.
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Just for fun, I did some half-assed calculations. Our gas bill in the summer months (furnace not operating) is about $30. We have gas water heater, dryer, and oven. All are used regularly. Assume gas use is equal, so the price to heat water is $10 per month. Gas tank heater is about $500. Tankless is about $1500. If the tankless uses half the gas, savings = $5 per month. Number of months needed to recoup the $1000 difference = 200 (16.67 years). Approximations, to be sure, but I'm not seeing any big savings.
Once again, such arguments have played out thousands of times on various forums. Anybody who wants one of these gadgets can go right ahead. They do make sense if space is extremely limited. I have a large basement, and barely notice a 40 gallon tank.
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Gas unit. I don't know anybody who's had to replace one after only 10 years. I agree 17 years is typical EOL, which is why we replaced it.
Just for fun, I did some half-assed calculations. Our gas bill in the summer months (furnace not operating) is about $30. We have gas water heater, dryer, and oven. All are used regularly. Assume gas use is equal, so the price to heat water is $10 per month. Gas tank heater is about $500. Tankless is about $1500. If the tankless uses half the gas, savings = $5 per month. Number of months needed to recoup the $1000 difference = 200 (16.67 years). Approximations, to be sure, but I'm not seeing any big savings.
Once again, such arguments have played out thousands of times on various forums. Anybody who wants one of these gadgets can go right ahead. They do make sense if space is extremely limited. I have a large basement, and barely notice a 40 gallon tank.
Just for fun, I did some half-assed calculations. Our gas bill in the summer months (furnace not operating) is about $30. We have gas water heater, dryer, and oven. All are used regularly. Assume gas use is equal, so the price to heat water is $10 per month. Gas tank heater is about $500. Tankless is about $1500. If the tankless uses half the gas, savings = $5 per month. Number of months needed to recoup the $1000 difference = 200 (16.67 years). Approximations, to be sure, but I'm not seeing any big savings.
Once again, such arguments have played out thousands of times on various forums. Anybody who wants one of these gadgets can go right ahead. They do make sense if space is extremely limited. I have a large basement, and barely notice a 40 gallon tank.
Mine's 50 US, and rented at (let me check), C$12/month.
When the last one I had sprung a leak, it was replaced for free.
So, yah, boo.

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Gas unit. I don't know anybody who's had to replace one after only 10 years. I agree 17 years is typical EOL, which is why we replaced it.
Just for fun, I did some half-assed calculations. Our gas bill in the summer months (furnace not operating) is about $30. We have gas water heater, dryer, and oven. All are used regularly. Assume gas use is equal, so the price to heat water is $10 per month. Gas tank heater is about $500. Tankless is about $1500. If the tankless uses half the gas, savings = $5 per month. Number of months needed to recoup the $1000 difference = 200 (16.67 years). Approximations, to be sure, but I'm not seeing any big savings.
Once again, such arguments have played out thousands of times on various forums. Anybody who wants one of these gadgets can go right ahead. They do make sense if space is extremely limited. I have a large basement, and barely notice a 40 gallon tank.
Just for fun, I did some half-assed calculations. Our gas bill in the summer months (furnace not operating) is about $30. We have gas water heater, dryer, and oven. All are used regularly. Assume gas use is equal, so the price to heat water is $10 per month. Gas tank heater is about $500. Tankless is about $1500. If the tankless uses half the gas, savings = $5 per month. Number of months needed to recoup the $1000 difference = 200 (16.67 years). Approximations, to be sure, but I'm not seeing any big savings.
Once again, such arguments have played out thousands of times on various forums. Anybody who wants one of these gadgets can go right ahead. They do make sense if space is extremely limited. I have a large basement, and barely notice a 40 gallon tank.
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You and Novo are correct, 40 gal is on the small side. There's just the two of us, though, so it's enough.
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Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree -- like lots of things - what one person thinks is the best thing since sliced bread - the next thinks its the worst!!
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Well, I have no idea of the size but its cream coloured, electric and rented. $9a month.
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I don't think this is possible in Alberta and B.C. at least I have not heard of anyone renting them.
As an aside a lot of people don't realise that the capacities of virtually all hot water tank type heaters are in U.S. gallons so your 40 gallon tank is in effect only 33 imperial gallons.
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Interesting concept renting hot water heaters, good little money maker for whoever is renting them out.
I don't think this is possible in Alberta and B.C. at least I have not heard of anyone renting them.
As an aside a lot of people don't realise that the capacities of virtually all hot water tank type heaters are in U.S. gallons so your 40 gallon tank is in effect only 33 imperial gallons.
I don't think this is possible in Alberta and B.C. at least I have not heard of anyone renting them.
As an aside a lot of people don't realise that the capacities of virtually all hot water tank type heaters are in U.S. gallons so your 40 gallon tank is in effect only 33 imperial gallons.

And we don't rent it we own it. MOH has no professional opinion on which is better....
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Rental costs according to Novo $144 per year or $1,440 over ten years.
I'll stick with buying mine thanks, although it seems I have no choice anyway.
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I think its the hassle free side that's good with rental. The rental company does all the installation, repairs etc. Ours is new, well 1 year old, so we have a while before we have to replace it.
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Tankless or tank depends on the size of the household.
Tankless are great for single people or maybe a couple but do not work so well for a family when you start adding in the demands of washing machines and dishwashers and teenagers.
Our water heaters were replaced last year and have a vacation setting so we can turn them right down when we are away without the hassle of relighting them. We have 2 and I don't know what size they are as they're in the basement and I'm upstairs with the cat on my lap.
Tankless are great for single people or maybe a couple but do not work so well for a family when you start adding in the demands of washing machines and dishwashers and teenagers.
Our water heaters were replaced last year and have a vacation setting so we can turn them right down when we are away without the hassle of relighting them. We have 2 and I don't know what size they are as they're in the basement and I'm upstairs with the cat on my lap.
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IIRC Oakvillian rents his furnace by a similar scheme.



