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Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by RubyRose
(Post 7568199)
Also, I would like to remind all posters on this thread that the Canadian government accepted a large proportion of Tamil speaking Sri Lankans
Ruby |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by RubyRose
(Post 7568107)
You spout quite a lot of garbage - unsubstantiated. Burglaries happen all the time the police reaction is the same be it Black or White. The white who leave have always had their British passports and have never ever been patriotic to South Africa just there for what they can rape and pillage - unfortunately a very colonialist mentality. Those white people who leave have accrued an obscene amount of wealth on the back of the poor.
Think before you make your statements and Yes those white people who leave are most welcome in the west so that they can carry on the propaganda machinery fuelled by the likes of you. Ruby You seem to have an axe to grind by saying that all the white made obscene monies at the cost of the rest, and can always disappear with their British passports, something far from the truth. Many white people in South Africa are just as much victims as black people where. I'm not saying that things in the past where good, far from it, but the discrimination clock has swung round the other way now, which also isn't right. Now it's only equality if you are black, rather than the equality if you are white that it used to be. |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by Ben W Bell
(Post 7569055)
I'm not saying that things in the past where good, far from it, but the discrimination clock has swung round the other way now, which also isn't right. Now it's only equality if you are black, rather than the equality if you are white that it used to be. How much do you actually know about the way Apartheid existed? Have you tried comparing the system as it exists now with say Uganda under Amin? You seem to believe that under Apartheid there were only two groups? And those two groups are still the only ones in existence? Aparthied allowed for 4 groups (at least) 1) Whites 2) Asians (Indian Subcontinent by Majority) 3) Coloureds 4) Blacks. The Majority ethnic group was (and is) Blacks. Logically with equal representation they will form the bulk of Govt officials (and employers IF they can even yet afford to own 'big' business). Human nature is discriminate towards the group you identify with (look at Obama for godsake). Soweto (and the other townships) havent disappeared overnight. ALL ethinc groups are suffering still in SA. Many of the officials will still be holding grudges against their 'persecuters' (be they white, asian or coloured. Dont think for a minute that it was only the whites that mistreated the blacks), hopefully with time SA can become the first truly equal and multi-ethnic state in Africa. As for equality for whites? White Afrikaner yes. But I wont start on that one. |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7569077)
As for equality for whites? White Afrikaner yes. But I wont start on that one.
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Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by Souvenir
(Post 7569099)
I knew a guy brought up in SA (born there, I think). He told me he was regularly beaten up by "the Dutch kids" on his way home from school.
"Dutch Cassidy and the Sun City Kid" |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 7569108)
I see a great pitch for a new movie classic:
"Dutch Cassidy and the Sun City Kid" You wanna play the Crotchity old Sherif?? |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 7569118)
:rofl:
You wanna play the Crotchity old Sherif?? |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by Novocastrian
(Post 7569255)
Not if he can't spell.
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Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by Ben W Bell
(Post 7569055)
Please be careful before telling other posters that they spout a lot of garbage. I've had several circles of friends involving South Africans and all say the same thing, from Durban to Cape Town. Being white in South Africa now is just like being black was two decades ago. You are a discriminated against group. I've heard this from many many people, read the news reports. Do you still live in South Africa? Some have been forced out recently and I did have friends who only got into the UK as refugees due to the local government in Durban taking their house and land to give to others, a house they had owned and paid for after working for many years.
You seem to have an axe to grind by saying that all the white made obscene monies at the cost of the rest, and can always disappear with their British passports, something far from the truth. Many white people in South Africa are just as much victims as black people where. I'm not saying that things in the past where good, far from it, but the discrimination clock has swung round the other way now, which also isn't right. Now it's only equality if you are black, rather than the equality if you are white that it used to be. I am rather surprised you use the phrase 'refugees' when you refer to a class of people who always retained their British passports. I have quite often heard the phrase 'You seem to have an axe to grind' when you fail to advance an arguement to support your statements by just hear say and I can safely say if such incidents as you describe occurred in Durban then the international community would have been aware of it immediately. I would say it once more you just spout 'garbage'. Keep it to yourself and your ignorant circle of people. Please can you provide me with media sources and tangible evidence apart from hearsay that the situation you describe is the norm in South Africa. If the situation is so dire in South Africa - may i ask why is it considered one of the most economically developed countries in Africa, allowing it to compete on the same basis or footing as your so called developed European countries. Can you substantiate your reasoning as to why it was seen fit to include South Africa in the G20 summit. To be truthful - all these questions are rhetorical as I am really not interested in your response. You have basically lowered the tone of the BE forum through your sheer ignorance. I would say it once more be mindful of what you say and how you say it. |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by RubyRose
(Post 7569301)
Do I sense a threat in your response - as this is the normal reaction for somebody who just feeds hype into machinery that will allow it to do so.
I don't see a threat. Maybe you should ask a moderator what they think? I am rather surprised you use the phrase 'refugees' when you refer to a class of people who always retained their British passports. I don't think Ben was referring to Brits as refugees. He said that he had friends who got into the UK as refugess (nationality not specified) I have quite often heard the phrase 'You seem to have an axe to grind' when you fail to advance an arguement to support your statements by just hear say and I can safely say if such incidents as you describe occurred in Durban then the international community would have been aware of it immediately. I would say it once more you just spout 'garbage'. How would the international community be aware of it? Does the UN monitor this? Keep it to yourself and your ignorant circle of people. Insults don't help your argument. Please can you provide me with media sources and tangible evidence apart from hearsay that the situation you describe is the norm in South Africa. If the situation is so dire in South Africa - may i ask why is it considered one of the most economically developed countries in Africa, allowing it to compete on the same basis or footing as your so called developed European countries. Can you substantiate your reasoning as to why it was seen fit to include South Africa in the G20 summit. Politics? I think the west is trying to make up for the apartheid era by inviting South Africa into a wider political arena. Of course it helps that ARMSCOR (SA's biggest arms manufacturer) is trying to gain a bigger customer base outside South Africa. To be truthful - all these questions are rhetorical as I am really not interested in your response. You have basically lowered the tone of the BE forum through your sheer ignorance. I would say it once more be mindful of what you say and how you say it. |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by RubyRose
(Post 7569301)
Please can you provide me with media sources and tangible evidence apart from hearsay that the situation you describe is the norm in South Africa.
A black person in South Africa will probably view the current situation there differently to a white Afrikaaner. |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by CaptainHook
(Post 7569414)
You've given your views, Ben's given his. Both don't have to be wrong.
Ruby |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by RubyRose
(Post 7570506)
Quite correct but exaggeration is unacceptable - think about that, and thank you for your analysis.
Ruby I've thought about it, and I see no reason for these people to exaggerate or lie to me about their experiences. I can accept their experience doesn't necessarily apply to every white South African, but I also doubt theirs is an isolated incident. |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by CaptainHook
(Post 7570748)
If the people who tell me similar things about their experiences are exagerrating, how would I know, and how would me reporting what they've said be exaggeration?
I've thought about it, and I see no reason for these people to exaggerate or lie to me about their experiences. I can accept their experience doesn't necessarily apply to every white South African, but I also doubt theirs is an isolated incident. Would you accept my experiences - I am certain you will not and I am sure you will not be interested. It is about time the average White South African who was too used to being handed everything on a plate accepted that there is such a thing as competition driven by fair competition and skills and knowledge. Would you condone the practice of job restriction - I am sure the likes of you will. I don't have to expand any further as I can see your line of argument and I am quite disappointed that the majority on this board habour innate racist thoughts attitudes and segregationist attitudes. I will say once more exaggeration is not the way forward but to develop appropriate knowledge and skills to gain competitive advantage - not to moan and whinge and exaggerate. It was fine for us to be kept out in the cold for years whilst a small majority reaped the benefits - Now i dont see the likes of you condemning that. It is a sad day when people like you who themselves are emigres talk this way - I hope you never face any discriminatory practice in your chosen country i.e. Canada and if you do - Please don't say that it was because you were or are different. For me South Africa is a beautiful and wonderful country however it holds terrible memories of torture both mental and physical .....only condemned by amnesty international not governments in the west. This is personal and i leave it as that and i will not respond any further to your posts. I appreciate the forum and have made very many good friends and contacts and would like to keep it that way as i look forward to their support. Ruby |
Re: Tamil Protest / Riot in Toronto
Originally Posted by RubyRose
(Post 7570845)
At least they are lucky they can walk into western countries especially Britain without any questions asked - but bona fide refugees and asylum seekers who are of a different colour and race are turned away and this is my personal experience. Perhaps you need to think a bit more about the element of truth and that there are two sides to a coin. At the height of apartheid did you see many black South Africans in the west - the answer to that question is a definite No. White people just cannot handle majority rule and the fact that they are no longer the privileged class. Jobs are being allocated on a fair basis -hopeful on merit and an attempt is being made to create a more planer playing field.
Your profile says you in Leeds, I assume it's the UK one? Therefore you've been let into the UK. Were you turned away previously? Maybe some white people can't handle majority rule, but I doubt that applies to every individual white South African. A level playing field should ensure that the best person for the job is the one employed, regardless of skin colour. It's never going to happen in any country, not even the UK. Would you accept my experiences - I am certain you will not and I am sure you will not be interested. I accept your experience is different to the people I know. I would also say that your experiences doesn't make anyone elses wrong. Why would you be certain I wouldn't be interested or accept your experiences. Would it be because you've already formed an opinion of me due to your own predjuces? You're already resorting to calling people on here racist just because their opinion is different to yours. It is about time the average White South African who was too used to being handed everything on a plate accepted that there is such a thing as competition driven by fair competition and skills and knowledge. Would you condone the practice of job restriction - I am sure the likes of you will. I don't have to expand any further as I can see your line of argument and I am quite disappointed that the majority on this board habour innate racist thoughts attitudes and segregationist attitudes. I don't condone any kind of discrimination for whatever reason. As I said earlier in this post, it should be the best qualified person for the job, and I believe training opportunities should be equally available to all. If you're going to label people racist for what they've said on this forum, on the left side of the page, beside the karma button is a Report Post button which lets you complain to the mods. I will say once more exaggeration is not the way forward but to develop appropriate knowledge and skills to gain competitive advantage - not to moan and whinge and exaggerate. It was fine for us to be kept out in the cold for years whilst a small majority reaped the benefits - Now i dont see the likes of you condemning that. I don't automatically assume you're exaggerating, so why do you feel the need to constantly say other people are exaggerating? It wasn't fine what was done under white rule, and I've never agreed with apartheid, but now it's over I see no reason to constantly condemn it. There is also no reason to keep apologising for things thast have changed for the better. It is a sad day when people like you who themselves are emigres talk this way - I hope you never face any discriminatory practice in your chosen country i.e. Canada and if you do - Please don't say that it was because you were or are different. We do get discriminated against here. Our qualifications are recognised by the equivilant Canadian organisation. We lose out on jobs because we have no 'Canadian experience' once we've retaken the same courses we'd already done in the UK. How does one get 'Canadian experience' if they won't bloody employ you. The biggest growth industry in Toronto for immigrants is taxi driving. For me South Africa is a beautiful and wonderful country however it holds terrible memories of torture both mental and physical .....only condemned by amnesty international not governments in the west. This is personal and i leave it as that and i will not respond any further to your posts. This is the 2nd time you've said to someone you're not interested in their replies. I guess you're only interested in your side of the story and don't want to hear about anyone elses view. I guess it must be Friday already. I appreciate the forum and have made very many good friends and contacts and would like to keep it that way as i look forward to their support. Ruby |
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