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Rightly or wrongly, politics aside, Trump has won. Apparently the CIC website has crashed several times in the last 12 hours, with what is rumoured to be Americans checking out their options. I'm wondering what the thoughts are of the BE community. Do you feel an influx of Americans is on the cards, and, if so, I assume this will have some effect on the overall immigration process, even if only to make the pool of applicants larger. We were looking into starting our application process early next year, though haven't yet decided which route to go (that's another question for another day!) - so wondered what the general consensus on the ground is!

Lisa.

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If I were you, I'd get an application in asap, and not wait until next year just in case! It would be unusual to have a choice of more than one route, if you do have the luxury of several routes to choose from then that's different, but assuming you'd be applying under EE, I'd apply now before the Yanks can push the points threshold up even higher. Or before Canada decides to build their own wall. :lol:

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HELL YEAH


JOB SECURITY

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Strange now how so many pundits on radio saying how they thought yeh he could win it, when no one gave him a chance up to 12 hours ago Lol

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Shocked and dismayed. I thought the US was better than that. Hope his campaign rhetoric was bluster, but in any case, it's going to be a grubby four years.

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That's crazier than voting trump in the first place!

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I think this short sentence sums it up, an inability to understand the problems and attitudes of those who aren't considered important enough to appear above political and socially acceptable horizons.

It's become clear that even the humblest among the forgotten had one valuable vote and it was used to great effect.

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If the federal government needs helps constructing the Transamerican Wall Against Transient Southerners (I wont spell out the acronym), I am willing and able to provide engineering consultancy.

On a serious note it will be really interesting to see where ITA points go, the last few draws had started to show a fall. I cant apply till January so just crossing my fingers that no one leaves until he is actual elected.

Come on Americans where's that 1776 spirit you always talk about.

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So much for the land of milk and honey. lol

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LOL

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It surprises me why people are shocked, regardless if we like it or not. Over the years he's always been asked if he would stand for president and this video shows it all. Even in 1987 Oprah asked him and he said he would win LOL

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I'm not overly shocked by this. I thought it would be much, much closer than it eventually ended up being.

The real issue here are the people who voted for him. Why did they vote for him, and if it was for some of his deplorable comments / opinions / traits, then how can you change that, if it's even possible.

Some have said that CIC took their website down themselves, as they knew it'd likely be overloaded and take itself down.

I think we will see more americans *trying* to relocate to Canada, and finding out how difficult that actually is. A few people I was talking to this morning thought they could simply have an american marry them (as they are PR / Citizen of Canada) and then they'd get some kind of Canadian status. I pointed out that it wouldn't really help, as you don't instantly get PR or Citizenship if you marry a PR / Citizen. You would, to get spousal PR, need to be living together for at least 12 months, so if you're not at that point, you have to get there. I'd say that there will be heavier scrutiny on spousal apps moving forwards.

I also saw polls about wether it should be easier for american's to emigrate to Canada, seems the majority said "No", and I agree with that.

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[QUOTE=sharkus;12100124The real issue here are the people who voted for him. Why did they vote for him, and if it was for some of his deplorable comments / opinions / traits, then how can you change that, if it's even possible.[/QUOTE]

There is no real issue at all. The electorate voted for whichever candidate they felt best represented their interests and the result reflected that.

If, in 4 years time, the electorate wishes for "change", it will have the right to vote again.

Personally, I think it will be refreshing to have a leader of a significant country that doesn't care about being politically correct and will say whatever he wishes to say. Time will tell whether he is a success, or a failure.

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He didn't detail his proposed policies so people must have chosen him based on his personality.

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Refreshing yes, I get that in some respects but that same leader that doesn't care about much at all will have his finger on the nuclear button, has the ability to cause significant economic turmoil for the rest of the world and to prosecute an aggressive agenda against those that wronged him. Thats rather more terrifying than refreshing.

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Maybe they think this is some kind of reality TV show and if they don't like him they can vote him off in 2 weeks time.

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Keep calm and carry on.

The alternative wasn't much better.

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Nope. You can apply on the evening of the day you got married. If you're in the mood.

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Even now, after having won against all predictions, there are those who seek to avoid the real issues and belittle the outcome.

Trump won because, whatever his shortcomings and he had many, he appealed to those ignored for so long. You have only to study the appalling case of Flint and the manner in this poor region was treated by the political class.. and cases like this extend across the US. The anger of the hard working man who has seen his way of life slowly sucked from his community has been seething, waiting for the opportunity to give politics the middle finger.

Yes he had the personality to front the candidacy, but by not buckling under criticism from just about everyone he became a magnet for the disaffected vote.

Will the conventional political class learn anything from this? No, they'll close ranks and simply call for more money in the hope of drowning any Trump like hopeful in the future.

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I actually do understand the problems and attitudes, but I also understand that a billionaire celebrity with zero history of public service is not the solution.

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I assume that you, like me, know of Flint largely because of the documentary film by Michael Moore.

He's not really a Trump supporter.

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I feel sorry for those who will be affected after Obamacare is repealed.

Other than that, the Americans deserve the president they get. This truly is a pivotal point in the decline of the American empire.

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Michael Moore is not really a Clinton supporter either...

My Endorsement Of Bernie Sanders

He predicted the result though.....

5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win | MICHAEL MOORE

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Like many of your posts, you seek to divert from the tenor of the argument. Your assumption was incorrect and not relevant to the post.

Flint was covered in just a little more detail over this side of the pond than perhaps in the EU. I don't need Moore or anyone else to tell me how to assess information and make my own judgements.

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He wasn't originally a Clinton supporter, but if you watch his latest film "Trumpland" he certainly became one.

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No more like the 47.7% who voted for Trump got the president they deserve.

The 47.5% who voted for Clinton certainly did not deserve Trump.

Clinton as of 12:33pm EST was leading in the popular vote as well, so as this point in time, more people voted for Clinton then voted for Trump.

If only the popular voted mattered.

If she stays a head in the popular vote, she will be the 5th person to win the popular vote but lose the election.

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Obviously, but a very reluctant supporter.

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It's very hard to understand the American attitude toward Obamacare. It seems very unpopular, even amongst some of the people who had no health insurance before.

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You haven't seen the film, have you.

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It was a last minute panic film. The measured view on Clinton was captured over a year previously.

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But look to Scotland where Trump has cut off the water supply to someone who wouldn't sell a property to him, if he did that in Flint he'd solve the poisoned water problem atastroke!

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I think I'm belittling the voters, not the outcome.

Trump is not going to bring the factories back to the rust belt. Trump is not going to build a wall across the southern border. Trump is not going to eliminate Islam from the US. What he will do is to eliminate Obamacare and appoint judges to the Supreme Court who will allow legislation limiting access to abortion.

In short, he'll be harmful to poor people and they are stupid to vote for him even if he will allow them to fly the Stars and Bars.

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It has been interesting today to see how the markets have been reacting.

Mining stocks went up (the usual flight to gold). Pharmaceutical stocks went up (one imagines that they will be facing less control on what they charge).

I didn't check insurance companies. I guess that they are rubbing their hands too.

I spent a few days in the UK and watching the S*y news in my hotel room was gobsmacking. Talk about bias!

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Well, as we all know, being POTUS does not give one complete discretion regarding the "nuclear button" and, in reality, has little power to make the decisions you are referring to, particularly if those on Capitol Hill don't wish to assist him.

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How do you know he won't bring factories back to the rust belt? Trashing things that would make employees more expensive to run could make manufacturing more viable.

This idea of resource repatriation has been building for some years.

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There is definitely bias in the UK news, Channel 4 were literally gloating about a Hilary win on Election Day. Rather different tone today.

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I don't know for an absolute certainty but it's very unlikely indeed. Besides the practical difficulties, he's a free trader not a protectionist. In his business he uses steel from China and workers from Mexico and I think what he does is more telling that what he says.

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In Trump's own words "What the hell have you got to lose?"

In a rich land where so many wealthy are too wealthy, after decades of the status quo, as Bloomburg reported earlier this year Food Stamps Still Feed One in Seven Americans Despite Recovery - Bloomberg the poor might be being bloody minded but they aren't being stupid, it'll be those who have something to lose that'll call them that.

The rule that 'poor people don't vote' will henceforth need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

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Healthcare and access to abortion. See above.

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Paris climate change agreement, NATO...