Shouldn't Toronto get its own house in order before it criticizes Alberta?
Oct 4th 2011, 1:11 pm
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Shouldn't Toronto get its own house in order before it criticizes Alberta?
Oct 4th 2011, 1:23 pm
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Re: Shouldn't Toronto get its own house in order before it criticizes Alberta?
Oct 4th 2011, 1:30 pm
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Re: Shouldn't Toronto get its own house in order before it criticizes Alberta?
What marks the author as being a bit backward and provincial, a bit Canadian, if you will, is the idea that the everything that happens outside of her direct view happens in Toronto.
The Globe and Mail doesn't claim to be a Toronto paper and, in Toronto, it's not thought to be one.
The Globe and Mail doesn't claim to be a Toronto paper and, in Toronto, it's not thought to be one.
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Oct 4th 2011, 2:06 pm
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Re: Shouldn't Toronto get its own house in order before it criticizes Alberta?
What marks the author as being a bit backward and provincial, a bit Canadian, if you will, is the idea that the everything that happens outside of her direct view happens in Toronto.
The Globe and Mail doesn't claim to be a Toronto paper and, in Toronto, it's not thought to be one.
The Globe and Mail doesn't claim to be a Toronto paper and, in Toronto, it's not thought to be one.
Oct 4th 2011, 2:10 pm
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Re: Shouldn't Toronto get its own house in order before it criticizes Alberta?
Patronizing, yep...
because IMHO there is now way any part of Canada is "jumping into the present", 21st century it isn't...The reference to Toronto being stuck in the 1990's is about right, however my experience of the prairies is that a jump forward might get them to the 1980's and not much further, and some parts are right wing religious enough to be trying to jump backwards as fast as they can
Oct 4th 2011, 9:30 pm
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Re: Shouldn't Toronto get its own house in order before it criticizes Alberta?
What marks the author as being a bit backward and provincial, a bit Canadian, if you will, is the idea that the everything that happens outside of her direct view happens in Toronto.
The Globe and Mail doesn't claim to be a Toronto paper and, in Toronto, it's not thought to be one.
The Globe and Mail doesn't claim to be a Toronto paper and, in Toronto, it's not thought to be one.
Jesus...
Patronizing, yep...
because IMHO there is now way any part of Canada is "jumping into the present", 21st century it isn't...The reference to Toronto being stuck in the 1990's is about right, however my experience of the prairies is that a jump forward might get them to the 1980's and not much further, and some parts are right wing religious enough to be trying to jump backwards as fast as they can
Patronizing, yep...
because IMHO there is now way any part of Canada is "jumping into the present", 21st century it isn't...The reference to Toronto being stuck in the 1990's is about right, however my experience of the prairies is that a jump forward might get them to the 1980's and not much further, and some parts are right wing religious enough to be trying to jump backwards as fast as they can
Oct 5th 2011, 1:45 pm
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Re: Shouldn't Toronto get its own house in order before it criticizes Alberta?
Shame she's stuck in a rut in Calagary and all she can go on about was how once upon a time Alberta was leading the charge in social reform, certainly that stopped a long time ago...
But hey, ranting on about the past, and how Canada was once great, well almost nearly great is a national pastime....
Oct 5th 2011, 4:09 pm
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Re: Shouldn't Toronto get its own house in order before it criticizes Alberta?
I think there's an element of truth in it. Ontario, Quebec are older societies, old money etc.
Alberta reminds me a tiny bit of NZ in this respect. A rural, conservative electorate voted in a transgendered MP years ago in NZ. It's about the person though - are they any good? Is this person going to represent me well in Parliament? CLearly she was so she got the votes, regardless of her past. To me it's not a surprise, but to anyone looking outside I guess it would seem unusual.
NZ is more rural/conservative yet we've had a female PM for years - a real one who was elected on her own merits not shuffled in by backroom subterfuge. WE have yet to see this in Canada.
So I guess what I'm saying is I'm not surprised at all by Alberta. It's a young, growing, prosperous province - maybe because of that the people are more open.
I'm surprised that Torontonians don't consider the G&M a toronto paper cos it seems like one to me. It's clear from reading some of the articles that some of the journalists have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to western canada, but then other times they have really good articles, so I'm a bit confused as to whether they're trying to be a national newspaper or whether they're still trying to be a Toronto paper with a touch of the rest of Canada. I wish there were a decent alternative in BC but all the local papers here are shit.
Alberta reminds me a tiny bit of NZ in this respect. A rural, conservative electorate voted in a transgendered MP years ago in NZ. It's about the person though - are they any good? Is this person going to represent me well in Parliament? CLearly she was so she got the votes, regardless of her past. To me it's not a surprise, but to anyone looking outside I guess it would seem unusual.
NZ is more rural/conservative yet we've had a female PM for years - a real one who was elected on her own merits not shuffled in by backroom subterfuge. WE have yet to see this in Canada.
So I guess what I'm saying is I'm not surprised at all by Alberta. It's a young, growing, prosperous province - maybe because of that the people are more open.
I'm surprised that Torontonians don't consider the G&M a toronto paper cos it seems like one to me. It's clear from reading some of the articles that some of the journalists have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to western canada, but then other times they have really good articles, so I'm a bit confused as to whether they're trying to be a national newspaper or whether they're still trying to be a Toronto paper with a touch of the rest of Canada. I wish there were a decent alternative in BC but all the local papers here are shit.
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Oct 5th 2011, 7:04 pm
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Re: Shouldn't Toronto get its own house in order before it criticizes Alberta?
I think there's an element of truth in it. Ontario, Quebec are older societies, old money etc.
Alberta reminds me a tiny bit of NZ in this respect. A rural, conservative electorate voted in a transgendered MP years ago in NZ. It's about the person though - are they any good? Is this person going to represent me well in Parliament? CLearly she was so she got the votes, regardless of her past. To me it's not a surprise, but to anyone looking outside I guess it would seem unusual.
NZ is more rural/conservative yet we've had a female PM for years - a real one who was elected on her own merits not shuffled in by backroom subterfuge. WE have yet to see this in Canada.
So I guess what I'm saying is I'm not surprised at all by Alberta. It's a young, growing, prosperous province - maybe because of that the people are more open.
I'm surprised that Torontonians don't consider the G&M a toronto paper cos it seems like one to me. It's clear from reading some of the articles that some of the journalists have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to western canada, but then other times they have really good articles, so I'm a bit confused as to whether they're trying to be a national newspaper or whether they're still trying to be a Toronto paper with a touch of the rest of Canada. I wish there were a decent alternative in BC but all the local papers here are shit.
Alberta reminds me a tiny bit of NZ in this respect. A rural, conservative electorate voted in a transgendered MP years ago in NZ. It's about the person though - are they any good? Is this person going to represent me well in Parliament? CLearly she was so she got the votes, regardless of her past. To me it's not a surprise, but to anyone looking outside I guess it would seem unusual.
NZ is more rural/conservative yet we've had a female PM for years - a real one who was elected on her own merits not shuffled in by backroom subterfuge. WE have yet to see this in Canada.
So I guess what I'm saying is I'm not surprised at all by Alberta. It's a young, growing, prosperous province - maybe because of that the people are more open.
I'm surprised that Torontonians don't consider the G&M a toronto paper cos it seems like one to me. It's clear from reading some of the articles that some of the journalists have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to western canada, but then other times they have really good articles, so I'm a bit confused as to whether they're trying to be a national newspaper or whether they're still trying to be a Toronto paper with a touch of the rest of Canada. I wish there were a decent alternative in BC but all the local papers here are shit.
From what I have seen and heard of her, I believe she will be good for Alberta; time will tell
