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Former Lancastrian Jun 30th 2021 6:26 am

Shortage of workers
 
Apparently many countries including Canada cannot fill vacancies and employers are struggling to find workers.
I came across this ad on Reddit posted for a job in Winnipeg for a Customer Sales Rep where they were asking for 5 years experience and a Bachelors degree (non specific). It sells Natural Health products. salary $14 to $15 an hour.

https://preview.redd.it/rf4o7y8frf87...=webp&f81177b0

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 30th 2021 6:38 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 13023982)
Apparently many countries including Canada cannot fill vacancies and employers are struggling to find workers.
I came across this ad on Reddit posted for a job in Winnipeg for a Customer Sales Rep where they were asking for 5 years experience and a Bachelors degree (non specific). It sells Natural Health products. salary $14 to $15 an hour.

https://preview.redd.it/rf4o7y8frf87...=webp&f81177b0


Not offering competitive wage and putting in ridiculous educational and experience requirements will do that.

There was a dog food manufacturer in Ontario on CBC yesterday complaining about not being able to find workers, well gee lets see your only offering $15/hr, your location is not transit accessible, and workers need to commute by car, so there are 2 reasons why they struggle, but also seemed like a piss poor work environment as people are apparently quitting mid day, several red flags, but CBC ran with it under the guise of people are lazy and don't want to work.

And I think some of these employers simply want more employer friendly TFW rules, they don't actually want to pay competitive wage.

Like when I worked at the airport, my company was always short handed, we struggled to find employees at $17/$18 per hour, but you had Air Canada union complaining nobody wanted to work there, well gee your offering min wage to start and 0 to 40 hours per week, pretty obvious why your struggling, lowest starting pay of any company, no guarantee of hours each week, all for min wage starting, at Air Canada wage level would take about 5-7 years to get to what my companies starting wage was, and we could guarantee at least 40 hours per week.

Former Lancastrian Jun 30th 2021 6:49 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 
I don't have a Bachelors Degree so I wouldn't be able to apply even if I had 5 years experience. Oh well luckily I am employed at an hourly salary just a tad higher than that one even without a degree.

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 30th 2021 7:19 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 13023999)
I don't have a Bachelors Degree so I wouldn't be able to apply even if I had 5 years experience. Oh well luckily I am employed at an hourly salary just a tad higher than that one even without a degree.

Does CBSA require a bachelors degree these days?


I could do that job, the one you mention, but I neither have the experience nor the degree. I have been turned down by companies I am already employed by with good reviews from supervisors for better positions as they would rather hire a fresh from university with no experience over an existing employee without a degree, the whole system is stupid really.

Former Lancastrian Jun 30th 2021 7:47 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13024011)
Does CBSA require a bachelors degree these days?


I could do that job, the one you mention, but I neither have the experience nor the degree. I have been turned down by companies I am already employed by with good reviews from supervisors for better positions as they would rather hire a fresh from university with no experience over an existing employee without a degree, the whole system is stupid really.

Not essential to have a degree but preferred and some are hired with just Grade 12. It was once described to me having a non role specific university degree shows that you can be an adult, you showed up for class, passed enough of the tests and exams, all without a teacher standing over you.

scrubbedexpat091 Jun 30th 2021 7:50 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 13024022)
Not essential to have a degree but preferred and some are hired with just Grade 12. It was once described to me having a non role specific university degree shows that you can be an adult, you showed up for class, passed enough of the tests and exams, all without a teacher standing over you.

I understand the concept, but it puts those of us who are simply not university material at a huge disadvantage.

US airlines and pilots are similiar, the degree isn't what makes a good pilot, but airlines prefer pilots with degrees now over those without, well sometimes, sometimes there is too much of a pilot shortage so they take anyone, but in leaner times when airlines can be picky, they will prefer a degree over no degree even if both pilots are equally qualified in flying skills.


scilly Jun 30th 2021 11:11 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 13024011)
Does CBSA require a bachelors degree these days?


I could do that job, the one you mention, but I neither have the experience nor the degree. I have been turned down by companies I am already employed by with good reviews from supervisors for better positions as they would rather hire a fresh from university with no experience over an existing employee without a degree, the whole system is stupid really.


This hiring someone with a degree over a more experienced person or employee without one is nothing new.

I can remember my father back in the 1950s saying something similar ..........

He was Foreman in charge of a brass finishing foundry in a company making many very specialised things, including huge vats for commercial kitchens. He had worked his way up from the bottom, helped probably by being in reserved occupation during the war, making either bombs or planes.

He would complain bitterly about a new hire made by the company supposedly to improve things in the foundry or somewhere else, but knew nothing of the practical work so Dad had to show them how to do everything

OrangeMango Jul 1st 2021 12:58 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 13023982)
Apparently many countries including Canada cannot fill vacancies and employers are struggling to find workers.
I came across this ad on Reddit posted for a job in Winnipeg for a Customer Sales Rep where they were asking for 5 years experience and a Bachelors degree (non specific). It sells Natural Health products. salary $14 to $15 an hour.

https://preview.redd.it/rf4o7y8frf87...=webp&f81177b0

The add is most likely a hoax. Real sales jobs are never on an hourly wage, but with a commission. Also I doubt very much that they find a single applicant with a Bachelor degree for a salary of $14 to $15.

Anybody posting such an add isn't struggling to find workers, but struggling with his / her own incompetence.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 2nd 2021 3:21 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 

Originally Posted by OrangeMango (Post 13024386)
The add is most likely a hoax. Real sales jobs are never on an hourly wage, but with a commission. Also I doubt very much that they find a single applicant with a Bachelor degree for a salary of $14 to $15.

Anybody posting such an add isn't struggling to find workers, but struggling with his / her own incompetence.

Don't under estimate the cheapness of Canadian companies, and companies like to add sales to titles when really its just an hourly job without any commission.

Farmer on a bike Jul 2nd 2021 3:50 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 
Many businesses will pay more for labour, however consumers will end up paying more for the goods. I have read all this baloney about if a business does not pay a living wage without putting up prices doesn't deserve to be in business, clearly these folks have no understanding of economics. If a business uses a cost plus business model as opposed to what the market will bear, as costs go up and 'plus' is constant prices increase. Margins in some industries are extremely tight, more so at present with multiple price hikes in raw materials and delays, increases in shipping costs.
High labour costs will also create a larger pool of unemployable, those who are not productive and are not cost effective will find it hard to get and keep a job and fall by the wayside, putting a higher burden on the government (taxpayer).

caretaker Jul 2nd 2021 4:52 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 
I've had to turn down workers with degrees who couldn't do the job without putting up an argument about how to do it. Ability and willingness to follow simple instructions is #1 on most job requirements. I send the rejects back to the office and phone my team leader while they're enroute and explain this one is just not janitor material.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 2nd 2021 4:58 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 13024910)
I've had to turn down workers with degrees who couldn't do the job without putting up an argument about how to do it. Ability and willingness to follow simple instructions is #1 on most job requirements. I send the rejects back to the office and phone my team leader while they're enroute and explain this one is just not janitor material.

We had a few of those types at the airport job I had, they thought having a degree meant they should be paid more, and that they were smarter than the rest of us, they rarely lasted long.



kimilseung Jul 2nd 2021 5:27 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 
In the USA no one is mentioning that applicant shortage might have something to do with 600,000 extra people being dead now. I know they are weighted to older people, but younger people died too, in the US and Canada.

Piff Poff Jul 3rd 2021 2:19 pm

Re: Shortage of workers
 
Where I work has just been trying to hire. Minimum wage plus tips upto 30 hrs open availability (days, evening, weekend's) 1st girl that started 17 years old (Canadian born and bred) decided she did want to work weekend's. New one starting - another Filipina. I don't mind working with Filipinas, they have a similar sense of humor once we get through the language barrier.

there is 1 Canadian, 1 Mexican, 1 Chinese, 1 Brit and 6 Filipina where I am across 2 stores. The managers work 13 hours a day for $19 plus tips. No overtime, banked hours if they do over 64 a week and no benefits.
the manager position was offered to me, I didn't want to work more than 40 hours a week.

Tony_Tiger Jul 4th 2021 5:48 am

Re: Shortage of workers
 

Originally Posted by Farmer on a bike (Post 13024867)
Many businesses will pay more for labour, however consumers will end up paying more for the goods. I have read all this baloney about if a business does not pay a living wage without putting up prices doesn't deserve to be in business, clearly these folks have no understanding of economics. If a business uses a cost plus business model as opposed to what the market will bear, as costs go up and 'plus' is constant prices increase. Margins in some industries are extremely tight, more so at present with multiple price hikes in raw materials and delays, increases in shipping costs.
High labour costs will also create a larger pool of unemployable, those who are not productive and are not cost effective will find it hard to get and keep a job and fall by the wayside, putting a higher burden on the government (taxpayer).

You hit the nail on the head.
The high minimum wage has been one of the causes of this issue. I was helping run three family businesses many years ago. One of the was a bar. When the minimum wage went up. Instead of having three full time waitresses. We went down to one full time, one part-time on call, bar staff helping the floor when it got busy plus menus going up. The cost of good also went up. Its not that businesses don't pay more. It does not make it economically viable for the business to do so.
Also it effected the people that earn above the minimum wage as they are in competition with minimum wage people.

Minimum wage is not a wage that is meant to be lived on. If one wants to earn more money then they need to learn or develop a skill/trade that the market needs. That is the incentive. This should be taught in schools.



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