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Old Jun 25th 2010 | 2:49 am
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Originally Posted by Paul_Shepherd
Yes...although England briefly became a Republic back then, the monarchy was uninterupted in terms of blood line.... after the execution of Charles I by Cromwell, the crown went to the son of Charles I ......Charles II when the monarchy was restored. Thus maintaining the uniterupted bloodline.
I made a lighthearted point... now you're going all semantics on us, and it's still not really the case. An uninterrupted bloodline to me would imply a straightforward patrilineal descent, which didn't happen. Deposition, usurpation, murder, illegitimacy and tenuous claims supported by military force were rife from Henry II through the Lancastrian/Yorkist battles; Henry Tudor's claim was hardly legitimate; William of Orange launched an invasion (albeit he was invited to do so by some dissidents) to depose James II and nix the legitimate Jacobite succession; while the Act of Settlement in 1701 disallowed at a stroke several stronger claimants (including the Jacobites) in favour of the Hanoverian dynasty.

I don't disagree with your premise that the Monarchy is the least-worst option for the head of state in the UK and those Commonwealth nations that choose to keep it - but I don't think you can justify your "1000 years of an uninterrupted monarch" claim without wriggling enough to get a job as a circus contortionist.
 
Old Jun 28th 2010 | 5:55 am
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Pretty much says it all really... http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/...dians-628.html
 
Old Jun 28th 2010 | 5:58 am
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It seems the Queen has arrived in Canada. I wonder if she brought some proper bacon with her.
 
Old Jun 28th 2010 | 6:27 am
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Originally Posted by Oink
It seems the Queen has arrived in Canada. I wonder if she brought some proper bacon with her.
And baked beans and Bisto and orange squash and....................
 
Old Jun 28th 2010 | 6:30 am
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... and the rain ...



Originally Posted by Simon Legree
And baked beans and Bisto and orange squash and....................
 
Old Jun 28th 2010 | 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by Gremmie
This excerpt from the article sums up how I feel about the monarchy in Canada.

Most Canadians just don't care about the monarchy," said Freda, whose non-profit group wants Canada's head of state to be an elected governor general from Canada instead of a "non-resident monarch."

"It doesn't make sense in the 21st century for a country of Canada's stature to share its head of state with another country," Freda said in an interview.

"It's a symbol of Canada's subservience. It's a symbol of Canada's lack of ability to stand alone in the world as an independent nation."




Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/...#ixzz0sB08L9zE
 
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"It's a symbol of Canada's subservience. It's a symbol of Canada's lack of ability to stand alone in the world as an independent nation."
It's more of a reminder of Canada's political and economic reality.
 
Old Jun 28th 2010 | 7:21 am
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Most Canadians just don't care about the monarchy," said Freda, whose non-profit group wants Canada's head of state to be an elected governor general from Canada instead of a "non-resident monarch.

That "from Canada" is problematic, it rules out the incumbent and a great chunk of the population. If it was open to anymore that might work, the Queen would likely still be head of state but elected without campaigning.
 
Old Jun 28th 2010 | 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by Partially discharged
Most Canadians just don't care about the monarchy," said Freda, whose non-profit group wants Canada's head of state to be an elected governor general from Canada instead of a "non-resident monarch."


Anyone who is sufficiently militant to agitate for the removal of their Head of State and then have them replaced by a democratically-elected candidate is showing a startling niavety at the chances of an "ordinary citizen" ever having the resources to get elected. Not to mention having very low ambitions as a revolutionary.


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How very Canadian.
 
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
Anyone who is sufficiently militant to agitate for the removal of their Head of State and then have them replaced by a democratically-elected candidate is showing a startling niavety at the chances of an "ordinary citizen" ever having the resources to get elected. Not to mention having very low ambitions as a revolutionary.


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How very Canadian.
read up a bit.
 
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Originally Posted by Greenhill
She's obviously just waiting to get fitted to the base unit . . .




 
Old Jun 28th 2010 | 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian
I made a lighthearted point... now you're going all semantics on us, and it's still not really the case. An uninterrupted bloodline to me would imply a straightforward patrilineal descent, which didn't happen. Deposition, usurpation, murder, illegitimacy and tenuous claims supported by military force were rife from Henry II through the Lancastrian/Yorkist battles; Henry Tudor's claim was hardly legitimate; William of Orange launched an invasion (albeit he was invited to do so by some dissidents) to depose James II and nix the legitimate Jacobite succession; while the Act of Settlement in 1701 disallowed at a stroke several stronger claimants (including the Jacobites) in favour of the Hanoverian dynasty.

I don't disagree with your premise that the Monarchy is the least-worst option for the head of state in the UK and those Commonwealth nations that choose to keep it - but I don't think you can justify your "1000 years of an uninterrupted monarch" claim without wriggling enough to get a job as a circus contortionist.
Yes I hear what your saying, and this point has been rasied many times before, and could well be true, however these claims have never been proved, DNA testing wasnt a big thing back then!

...and Im Im sure even if there was proof it would be kept a closely guarded secret in the vaults of British intelligence, so without proof it will only ever be speculation.

So Long live the Queen and her heirs!
 
Old Jul 5th 2010 | 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by Clay Buster
Yet you think it's okay to move to a country while having every intention of changing its method of selection of head of state? That would get you jailed and then deported if you tried it in the USA...
Just so you know, the Federal Court thinks it's OK. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/fca/doc/...anlii3453.html
 
Old Jul 5th 2010 | 11:19 am
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Are there any published figures for the cost of the Queens visit to Canada?

I see the Popes visit is going to cost the UK taxpayer 14m GBP, excluding police costs.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100705...t-6323e80.html
 
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cornmatthew - have you been reading a different document? Most of the appellant's claims were thrown out, and he was given 30 days leave to resubmit more particular claims. As was pointed out, he is (or was not at the time of his action) a citizen, and thus had no charter rights!
 


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