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caretaker Dec 3rd 2015 4:31 am

Re: Septics shooting each other again.
 
The main difference I noticed between Canada and the US back in 1975 when I took the bus to Mexico and when I flew to Florida for 10 days some years back was the presence of armed guards where they don't exist in their Canadian counterpart settings (bus depot, grocery, liquor store). The changes creep up on you. I remember the first time I saw a mountie wearing body armour and thinking it looked not only uncomfortable but silly.

dave_j Dec 3rd 2015 4:36 am

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This gun thing is psychological and, rationally, difficult to understand.
When I was young I bought an MGA. It made me feel good and I drove it like a pratt. I had my only accident in that car because I behaved differently in that car than I had any car up to and from that date.
Imagine what I might have done if I'd owned an AR15.

Alan2005 Dec 3rd 2015 5:16 am

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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11807387)
The main difference I noticed between Canada and the US back in 1975 when I took the bus to Mexico and when I flew to Florida for 10 days some years back was the presence of armed guards where they don't exist in their Canadian counterpart settings (bus depot, grocery, liquor store). The changes creep up on you. I remember the first time I saw a mountie wearing body armour and thinking it looked not only uncomfortable but silly.

I'm still a bit freaked out when I see the filth with guns here. Except machine guns; coppers with machine guns always look like wanna-be special forces twats which I find more comical than intimidating.

scrubbedexpat091 Dec 3rd 2015 5:17 am

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Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11807332)
Strange, given those numbers, I have not heard of a mass shooting anywhere near me. I hear gunfire from several directions at my home every weekend, and sometimes in the evenings during the week, and someone nearby seems to have a machine gun. Someone else (different direction) may have some sort of cannon because the sound is unlike any smallarm I know of.

I have never been concerned about being shot.

Those stats most times include gang on gang shootings as well.

This article has a map and it considers a mass shooting to be any shooting involving 4 or more people wounded or killed.

If I recall correctly, the FBI removes the gang on gang shootings from their stats, and the number is lower. Really depends on how the stats are being manipulated.

San Bernardino, Syracuse among sites of 355 mass shootings in U.S. in 2015 (map) | syracuse.com

BristolUK Dec 3rd 2015 5:24 am

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Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 11807393)
Imagine what I might have done if I'd owned an AR15.

I remember A1 A2 A6 A7 A9 A12 A14 A200 MF15 MF17 and many others from my civil service days but I don't remember form AR15. :p

plasticcanuck Dec 3rd 2015 5:30 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 11807417)
I'm still a bit freaked out when I see the filth with guns here. Except machine guns; coppers with machine guns always look like wanna-be special forces twats which I find more comical than intimidating.

So who you gonna call.......Ghostbusters?

Pulaski Dec 3rd 2015 6:38 am

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11807419)
Those stats most times include gang on gang shootings as well. ....

The ugly truth is that most, in fact not only "most" but a large majority, of shootings are drug and or gang related - IIRC 75% of Charlotte, NC's killings are drug/gang related, and most of the rest are domestics gone wrong. The reason that the large bulk of Americans are not overly concerned about shootings is that it is mostly society's garbage killing each other.

scrubbedexpat091 Dec 3rd 2015 6:50 am

Re: Septics shooting each other again.
 

Originally Posted by Pulaski (Post 11807469)
The ugly truth is that most, in fact not only "most" but a large majority, of shootings are drug and or gang related - IIRC 75% of Charlotte, NC's killings are drug/gang related, and most of the rest are domestics gone wrong. The reason that the large bulk of Americans are not overly concerned about shootings is that it is mostly society's garbage killing each other.

I agree. I have never walked around the US doing my daily life in fear or worry, nor do any of my family or friends there.

Using the FBI definition and as of the Oregon shootings, the number was at 32.

The FBI definition is 4 or more people are killed at one time, in one area excluding the shooter.

That largely eliminates all the criminal on criminal shootings.

According to the FBI violent crime in 2014 (latest available) was still falling, 6.9% lower then 2010 and 16% lower then 2005 levels. Of the the crimes considered violent, 1.2% were murder. Majority 63.6 was aggravated assault, followed by 28% robbery, 7.2% rape.

Overall your chances of being murdered in any form is pretty low.

Shard Dec 3rd 2015 7:14 am

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Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 11807393)
This gun thing is psychological and, rationally, difficult to understand.
When I was young I bought an MGA. It made me feel good and I drove it like a pratt. I had my only accident in that car because I behaved differently in that car than I had any car up to and from that date.
Imagine what I might have done if I'd owned an AR15.

MGA ?

Alan2005 Dec 3rd 2015 7:24 am

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There's an increasing number of US psyhco-killers. What is it? These americans they should run away. I've got nothing else to say really so my lips are sealed cos after saying things once I don't need to repeat myself. Still, maybe they don't like impolite people or something.

cha cha cha...

Pulaski Dec 3rd 2015 7:35 am

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11807494)
MGA ?

The model preceding the MGB. :lol:

http://www.ridedrive.co.uk/images/cl...2-roadster.jpg

Shard Dec 3rd 2015 7:39 am

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Ah, ok. Forgot about that marque.

paw339 Dec 3rd 2015 9:30 am

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San Bernardino shooting: Explosives found at California attackers' home - BBC News

BristolUK Dec 3rd 2015 10:06 am

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Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11807219)
If it's a terrorist sleeper cell or homegrown jihadis there will probably be credit taken within a day, and possibly a video left behind or sent to media.

Unless they were just waiting for "the order" but something made them act independently thinking it was as good a time as any.

caretaker Dec 3rd 2015 10:35 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11807556)
Unless they were just waiting for "the order" but something made them act independently thinking it was as good a time as any.

Great target from the martyr point of view, all civil servants packed together, unsuspecting and unprotected, there should still be a video or some sort of manifesto. I haven't been checking the news today. They had all the gear and the wife was ready to go, made arrangements to drop the kid off.... They weren't able to use the bombs which might point to a lack of support from outside but this was planned for some time. I think I read somewhere that some of the guns were purchased 4 years ago, though I could be wrong.


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