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dboy May 7th 2009 11:27 am
Seal Hunt Taking Flak Again
 
Apparently the government wanted athletes to wear seal pelts at the Olympics in protest of who the international community is reacting to Canada's seal hunt. What a silly idea:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Can...947/story.html

The4BellsLondon May 7th 2009 11:28 am
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I heard that - it was in defiance of the EU wanting to ban seal related trade etc. . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/06/bu...tml?ref=global

Almost Canadian May 7th 2009 12:19 pm
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Originally Posted by dboy (Post 7551337)
Apparently the government wanted athletes to wear seal pelts at the Olympics in protest of who the international community is reacting to Canada's seal hunt. What a silly idea:

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Can...947/story.html
If you are going to ban seal hunting, may as well ban all forms of "use" of animals (ranching, pets, etc.) Either animals should roam free or they shouldn't, surely there shouldn't be "OK" and "non OK" uses for them.

I would have thought that killing wild animals was the ultimate in organic produce.

rwin May 7th 2009 12:22 pm
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If people really don't like it, they don't need a ban.

DaveLovesDee May 7th 2009 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by rwin (Post 7551425)
If people really don't like it, they don't need a ban.
Exactly. The laws of supply and demand.

If no-one buys it, they'll be no reason for anyone to hunt it, except for Inuit who hunt it for food, etc.

dboy May 7th 2009 1:43 pm
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Seals are over populated and are far from being an endangered species. Exports amount to a mere 5.5 million dollars annually, hardly a cash cow, although many communities depend on seals to support themselves both for food and as a financial resource. The Inuit eat seals raw and has been killing them as a way of life for years. The government has established humane rules for the killing of seals, regardless of how violent it may look. I'm sure it wouldn't be pleasant watching a cow being slaughtered either.

The EU should get a life. The only reason that anyone is focused on the seals is the fact that they are cute. Pigs on the other hand have not fared so well. And as already pointed out, seals are not held in atrocious living quarters as are domestic cattle. Seals are hunted in their natural habitat. I dare say that the EU should focus on matters closer to home such as the deplorable conditions that cattle are raised and killed.

andrewrb143 May 8th 2009 1:47 am
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Originally Posted by dboy (Post 7551582)
Seals are over populated and are far from being an endangered species. Exports amount to a mere 5.5 million dollars annually, hardly a cash cow, although many communities depend on seals to support themselves both for food and as a financial resource. The Inuit eat seals raw and has been killing them as a way of life for years. The government has established humane rules for the killing of seals, regardless of how violent it may look. I'm sure it wouldn't be pleasant watching a cow being slaughtered either.

The EU should get a life. The only reason that anyone is focused on the seals is the fact that they are cute. Pigs on the other hand have not fared so well. And as already pointed out, seals are not held in atrocious living quarters as are domestic cattle. Seals are hunted in their natural habitat. I dare say that the EU should focus on matters closer to home such as the deplorable conditions that cattle are raised and killed.
Smashing a seals head in with a club is just not aesthetically moral though-regardless of who calls it "humane". And im sure the need of seal products for Inuit sustenance is a tiny proportion of the population killed.

Souvenir May 8th 2009 2:08 am
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I can't see the trade ban saving the life of many seals. All that will happen is that the word changes from "hunt" to "cull" and the dead animals get trashed instead of sold.

The seals are in competition with humans for food (fish). The humans have better politcal clout.

dboy May 8th 2009 2:10 am
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Originally Posted by andrewrb143 (Post 7552896)
Smashing a seals head in with a club is just not aesthetically moral though-regardless of who calls it "humane". And im sure the need of seal products for Inuit sustenance is a tiny proportion of the population killed.
Come on, our ancestors have been hunting for as long as documented history. do you wear leather shoes/jackets, eat meat, etc. While clubbing may look graphic, its been found to be a humane way of killing them. A country like canada would not allow the wholesale, indiscriminate slaughter of any animal for a mere 5.5 million in exports. That would be a heavy price to pay on the world stage as far as canada's image goes.

Why should a seal have anymore rights than a pig, lamb, cow or a chicken. Give me a break.

rwin May 8th 2009 2:20 am
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Originally Posted by dboy (Post 7552951)
Why should a seal have anymore rights than a pig, lamb, cow or a chicken. Give me a break.
Because seals are cute.

Butch Cassidy May 8th 2009 2:22 am
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Originally Posted by rwin (Post 7552974)
Because seals are cute.
so are lambs and Calves

rwin May 8th 2009 2:23 am
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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 7552982)
so are lambs and Calves
Maybe its because we have them and they don't.

Butch Cassidy May 8th 2009 2:24 am
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Originally Posted by rwin (Post 7552989)
Maybe its because we have them and they don't.
you could be onto something

andrewrb143 May 8th 2009 2:25 am
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Originally Posted by dboy (Post 7552951)
Come on, our ancestors have been hunting for as long as documented history. do you wear leather shoes/jackets, eat meat, etc. While clubbing may look graphic, its been found to be a humane way of killing them. A country like canada would not allow the wholesale, indiscriminate slaughter of any animal for a mere 5.5 million in exports. That would be a heavy price to pay on the world stage as far as canada's image goes.

Why should a seal have anymore rights than a pig, lamb, cow or a chicken. Give me a break.
Most humane or most efficient? That depends on which literature you read, mostly commisioned by governments. I don't begrudge the killing of seals for communities that rely on them for food, and have been doing for thousands of years. The problem is the real value of the seal hunt is it the fur/pelt. Not but i believe its fully true, but there are reports that some seals are skinned when not fully dead.

I think the main issue is that the seal hunt is out in the open. If we saw images of farmers slaughtering lambs etc then I think the reaction would be the same. The major difference is lamb, pork etc is a major food source, whilst I've never seen seal steak on offer anywhere.

Souvenir May 8th 2009 2:36 am
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Just a little observation here. Most (I'm guessing 70%) of the seals killed are not clubbed but shot with high-powered rifles. Clubbing pictures are, of course, much better for PR purposes.

Shall we now discuss kosher and halal butchery methods?

iaink May 8th 2009 2:41 am
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I see the annual seal hunt debate is here again.

Shall I just post a link to last years, or the year befores or the year before thats and close this thread to save us all some time, and we can all agree to disagree, which is what will happen in the end anyway.

At least no sign of Macca on the ice this year so far...another positive from his divorce perhaps.

andrewrb143 May 8th 2009 2:48 am
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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7553037)
I see the annual seal hunt debate is here again.

Shall I just post a link to last years, or the year befores or the year before thats and close this thread to save us all some time, and we can all agree to disagree, which is what will happen in the end anyway.

At least no sign of Macca on the ice this year so far...another positive from his divorce perhaps.
That would be the humane thing to do.

macadian May 8th 2009 3:34 am
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Its all down to perception I feel. The International Community perceives it to be Barbaric, cruel and inhumane....whether it is or not is irrelevant. The anti seal slaughtering lobby have done their job better, and so have won the argument...and so Canada's reputation on the world stage is damaged accordingly....end of!

DaveLovesDee May 8th 2009 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by macadian (Post 7553215)
Its all down to perception I feel. The International Community perceives it to be Barbaric, cruel and inhumane....whether it is or not is irrelevant. The anti seal slaughtering lobby have done their job better, and so have won the argument...and so Canada's reputation on the world stage is damaged accordingly....end of!
What reputation? ;)

macadian May 8th 2009 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by CaptainHook (Post 7554423)
What reputation? ;)
The biggest fence sitters in the western world?:cool:

Atlantic Xpat May 9th 2009 1:40 am
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DaveLovesDee May 9th 2009 1:43 am
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Another excellent broadcast of EU BS. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

dboy May 9th 2009 2:21 am
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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7553037)
I see the annual seal hunt debate is here again.

Shall I just post a link to last years, or the year befores or the year before thats and close this thread to save us all some time, and we can all agree to disagree, which is what will happen in the end anyway.

At least no sign of Macca on the ice this year so far...another positive from his divorce perhaps.
I shoudn't have to point out that some of us on here have not been here year after year and have no idea what pervious posts may or may not be. There are new people logging on with various questions etc which have been covered countless times, be it the weather in Canada or the price of tea. As a moderator you should realize this.

dbd33 May 9th 2009 6:32 am
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Originally Posted by dboy (Post 7552951)
A country like canada would not allow the wholesale, indiscriminate slaughter of any animal for a mere 5.5 million in exports. That would be a heavy price to pay on the world stage as far as canada's image goes.
Canada handles the horse slaughter for the US where it's illegal. Horses are trucked across the border in appalling conditions and then killed with unsuitable equipment (guns and pens designed for cows). I don't imagine there's much profit in that and it's wholesale brutal slaughter.

Lots of veal in Canada too, battery hens, factory pigs, it's not a humane country.

mandymoochops May 9th 2009 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by dboy (Post 7556539)
I shoudn't have to point out that some of us on here have not been here year after year and have no idea what pervious posts may or may not be. There are new people logging on with various questions etc which have been covered countless times, be it the weather in Canada or the price of tea. As a moderator you should realize this.
Absolutely agree Dboy - however you as a seasoned poster with near as makes no difference 500 posts should also know the function of the search button!!!! ;)

aid1970 May 9th 2009 10:40 am
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Seal Hunt Taking Flak Again
AND SO IT SHOULD :thumbdown:

DaveLovesDee May 9th 2009 12:31 pm
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Originally Posted by aid1970 (Post 7557368)
Seal Hunt Taking Flak Again
AND SO IT SHOULD :thumbdown:
I guess you'll not be moving to NS as a protest then? :p

triumphguy May 9th 2009 12:38 pm
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Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 7557052)
Absolutely agree Dboy - however you as a seasoned poster with near as makes no difference 500 posts should also know the function of the search button!!!! ;)
:huh:

But sometimes you don't just want to read what others posted, you want to debate!

Anyway seals deserve it - the sneaky little bugga's. Making themselves look cute just to appeal to the French!

If they were edible the French wouldn't mind! I mean, who dreamt up force feeding geese just to eat their liver?

DaveLovesDee May 9th 2009 1:59 pm
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Originally Posted by triumphguy (Post 7557555)
:huh:

But sometimes you don't just want to read what others posted, you want to debate!

Anyway seals deserve it - the sneaky little bugga's. Making themselves look cute just to appeal to the French!

If they were edible the French wouldn't mind! I mean, who dreamt up force feeding geese just to eat their liver?
Mmmmmmm, escargots and frog's legs. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

fledermaus May 9th 2009 2:27 pm
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Originally Posted by triumphguy (Post 7557555)
:huh:

But sometimes you don't just want to read what others posted, you want to debate!

Anyway seals deserve it - the sneaky little bugga's. Making themselves look cute just to appeal to the French!

If they were edible the French wouldn't mind! I mean, who dreamt up force feeding geese just to eat their liver?
Oo Some foie gras, melba toast and a glass of Monbazillac. Yummy. What do I have to club to get some?

Lord Vader May 9th 2009 2:32 pm
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The world Wildlife fund is OK with the seal hunt. My original link wasa direct link to the WWF, but it appears as though it didn't work so I linked a couple of pages that seem to be against the WFF and the seal hunt.
http://4thtime.blogspot.com/2009/03/...s-canadas.html
http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/env-mg-wwf.html

An interview on CNN's larry King live with the premier of Newfoundland and Paul McCartney and his moron ex wife. (4 parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b24rGJpjMoY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft1wSUxZf5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmL-oSm5G3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qrtdcz6ugU

DaveLovesDee May 9th 2009 2:34 pm
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Originally Posted by fledermaus (Post 7557660)
Oo Some foie gras, melba toast and a glass of Monbazillac. Yummy. What do I have to club to get some?
See, now I'd be happy with some liver, fava beans and a nice Chianti! :p

DaveLovesDee May 9th 2009 2:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Lord Vader (Post 7557667)
The world Wildlife fund is OK with the seal hunt.
http://www.phoque.org/_files/WWF-Can...ment-2009.pdf\
Your link doesn't work, Vader.

Lord Vader May 9th 2009 2:44 pm
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Originally Posted by CaptainHook (Post 7557675)
Your link doesn't work, Vader.
I edited with a different link. ;)

fledermaus May 9th 2009 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by CaptainHook (Post 7557672)
See, now I'd be happy with some liver, fava beans and a nice Chianti! :p
OK Hannibal, did you take your meds today?

DaveLovesDee May 9th 2009 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by fledermaus (Post 7557685)
OK Hannibal, did you take your meds today?
Yes thank you. :thumbsup:

fledermaus May 9th 2009 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by CaptainHook (Post 7557689)
Yes thank you. :thumbsup:
Up the dosage then ;)

DaveLovesDee May 9th 2009 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by fledermaus (Post 7557691)
Up the dosage then ;)
Tomorrow. :p

iaink May 11th 2009 12:53 am
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Originally Posted by dboy (Post 7556539)
I shoudn't have to point out that some of us on here have not been here year after year and have no idea what pervious posts may or may not be. There are new people logging on with various questions etc which have been covered countless times, be it the weather in Canada or the price of tea. As a moderator you should realize this.
Even before I was annointed moderator I realised there was a search function and that the seal hunt was a hot canadian topic that is the same every year.


"As a moderator" is post just the same as I did "as a member"


"As a moderator you should..." is the single most irritating phrase in the English language, if I had my way it would be on the ***** list;)

Butch Cassidy May 11th 2009 2:09 am
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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7561194)
Even before I was annointed moderator I realised there was a search function and that the seal hunt was a hot canadian topic that is the same every year.


"As a moderator" is post just the same as I did "as a member"


"As a moderator you should..." is the single most irritating phrase in the English language, if I had my way it would be on the ***** list;)
Perhaps material for a new thread...............

"as a ........................ you should................." Fill in the blanks


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