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Re: schools at xmas time!
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 8170076)
3) MANY 'Canadian' Christians are 'deviants' from Western European catholic Churches hence the exchange of gifts can occur anytime from Dec 6th through to Jan 6th Even in Europe many diff traditions remain... I prefer presents morning, noon and night.. |
Re: schools at xmas time!
Originally Posted by Bali2010
(Post 8172672)
Not sure I read this the way it was intended :eek:
Even in Europe many diff traditions remain... I prefer presents morning, noon and night.. Coptics, some orthodox and some protestant traditions tend to exchange gifts on days OTHER than Dec 25th. These are the people I was refering to as 'deviants' from Western catholic (with a small c) Churches. |
Re: schools at xmas time!
Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy
(Post 8172690)
LOL, no maybe you didn't.
Methodist - deviant from CofE:rofl: |
Re: schools at xmas time!
That's really interesting, I was at my daughter's first nativity this morning here in the UK, and although we didn't choose a C of E School for religious reasons, I'm really beginning to appreciate the moral lessons and values that they are instilling. We are moving to Oakville in the spring, and have started researching schools. I had not planned on considering Catholic schooling because it just seemed innappropriate, but what is the solution? What school are your children at?
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Re: schools at xmas time!
My neighbour across the road has her three boys in the Catholic system here in Calgary. She is a very lapsed Catholic but says she wants her kids to learn morals and values.....Please understand that I am in no way attacking you BUT....My child gets taught morals and values by my husband and me. He doesn't go to a religious school but he also learns morals and values at his school... I would think that any good school teaches its students how to be good people and good citizens......I really would argue that they learn any more in a religious school....they just learn it differently.
As an extremely lapsed Catholic myself I would never put my children through the kind of 'fear of God' 'moral' teaching I experienced....That said I am sure the schools are nowhere near as bad here!!!! I guess my point is that in your situation I wouldn't assume anything about a school based on whether it is religious or not....If you are in a nice neighbourhood you will probably have a great school....Not sure if you can send your child to a Catholic school here without some evidence of Catholic faith....Might be different in Ontario though!! Good luck with whatever you decide Lisa |
Re: schools at xmas time!
Originally Posted by leepee
(Post 8175050)
....My child gets taught morals and values by my husband and me. He doesn't go to a religious school but he also learns morals and values at his school... I would think that any good school teaches its students how to be good people and good citizens......
I guess my point is that in your situation I wouldn't assume anything about a school based on whether it is religious or not....If you are in a nice neighbourhood you will probably have a great school....Not sure if you can send your child to a Catholic school here without some evidence of Catholic faith....Might be different in Ontario though!! Good luck with whatever you decide Lisa |
Re: schools at xmas time!
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 8167585)
There is a tension between allowing religion and schools to mix. Most provinces have an official separation in their school acts, though that is often ignored. You'll find Christmas concerts but rarely overt religious icons such nativity scenes. If there are any, it'll be in a classroom, usually because the teacher is religiousy and is trying to fight back against what they see as encroaching PCism.
The Mrs, an aetheist, is currently teaching a junior high religion class every week. Although it seems to be less about religion and more about personal and moral responsibilities which is a positive thing. It is regarded by the school as the subject that the less able pupils should be given a chance to shine in.:rofl: Christmas is celebrated in all its consumerist glory both inside and outside school here. Divali? Not so much. |
Re: schools at xmas time!
Originally Posted by sallydawson
(Post 8174989)
That's really interesting, I was at my daughter's first nativity this morning here in the UK, and although we didn't choose a C of E School for religious reasons, I'm really beginning to appreciate the moral lessons and values that they are instilling. We are moving to Oakville in the spring, and have started researching schools. I had not planned on considering Catholic schooling because it just seemed innappropriate, but what is the solution? What school are your children at?
To get back to somewhere near the OP's point, my son's school (again, an Oakville public elementary) had their Christmas concert last week. The "junior choir" - effectively all of Grades 1-3 - sang a number of songs from different Christian traditions and from other religions whose festivals happen at around this time of year. From a Swedish carol about Santa Lucia (as I have since discovered, one of very few Catholic martyrs to be commemorated by Lutheran churches in Scandinavia) as the kids processed onto stage carrying little candle flashlights, through traditional Hanukkah songs, to a lovely piece in French about Père Noël. He (my son, not Father Christmas) has at least one Hindu and one Muslim in his class, who both joined in all the songs with gusto, and whose parents were among the most enthusiastic in the audience. Not a hint of political correctness or the sort of inaction-for-fear-of-offending-anyone that the Daily Mail thrives on. |
Re: schools at xmas time!
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 8175082)
The Mrs, an aetheist, is currently teaching a junior high religion class every week. Although it seems to be less about religion and more about personal responsibilities which is a positive thing. It is regarded by the school as the subject that the less able pupils should be given a chance to shine in.:rofl:
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Re: schools at xmas time!
I take your point, of course all good schools will instill citizenship, but like you say it is the way they are taught that I am currently enjoying here - I suppose the christian stories are good hooks to hang general morals on which works well with my 4 year old. You of course also get all the carols and traditions that happen to be religious but have become for some people part of Christmas spirit which I think is what the original poster was referring to. Of course, I realise (before you all start typing madly).. if you want British culture.....................
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Originally Posted by leepee
(Post 8175050)
My neighbour across the road has her three boys in the Catholic system here in Calgary. She is a very lapsed Catholic but says she wants her kids to learn morals and values.....Please understand that I am in no way attacking you BUT....My child gets taught morals and values by my husband and me. He doesn't go to a religious school but he also learns morals and values at his school... I would think that any good school teaches its students how to be good people and good citizens......I really would argue that they learn any more in a religious school....they just learn it differently.
As an extremely lapsed Catholic myself I would never put my children through the kind of 'fear of God' 'moral' teaching I experienced....That said I am sure the schools are nowhere near as bad here!!!! I guess my point is that in your situation I wouldn't assume anything about a school based on whether it is religious or not....If you are in a nice neighbourhood you will probably have a great school....Not sure if you can send your child to a Catholic school here without some evidence of Catholic faith....Might be different in Ontario though!! Good luck with whatever you decide Lisa |
Re: schools at xmas time!
Sounds perfect.
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 8175083)
I really wouldn't worry about lack of moral content in Canadian (secular) public schooling. My son is in Grade 1 at an Oakville public (French immersion) school. There's plenty of apppropriate instruction in moral judgements, values etc, taking examples from all walks of life.
To get back to somewhere near the OP's point, my son's school (again, an Oakville public elementary) had their Christmas concert last week. The "junior choir" - effectively all of Grades 1-3 - sang a number of songs from different Christian traditions and from other religions whose festivals happen at around this time of year. From a Swedish carol about Santa Lucia (as I have since discovered, one of very few Catholic martyrs to be commemorated by Lutheran churches in Scandinavia) as the kids processed onto stage carrying little candle flashlights, through traditional Hanukkah songs, to a lovely piece in French about Père Noël. He (my son, not Father Christmas) has at least one Hindu and one Muslim in his class, who both joined in all the songs with gusto, and whose parents were among the most enthusiastic in the audience. Not a hint of political correctness or the sort of inaction-for-fear-of-offending-anyone that the Daily Mail thrives on. |
Re: schools at xmas time!
Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
(Post 8175082)
...no-one changed the names of the schools so you have a 'secular' 'Holy-mother-'t'underin-lord-mary-of-christ-queen-of-whatever' High School. But it's not catholic, oh dear me, no.
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