Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
Feb 20th 2017, 1:12 am
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Re: Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
Getting back to this thread and not refugees generally, so why has the USA rejected their claim, were their claims not genuine or severe enough to warrant being allowed to stay in the US?
I believe that this country will be used by economic chancers without the language, education or skills, claiming asylum when their first choice is unsuccessful. Perhaps Canada will become first choice, only using the USA as a transit country, can't see the law inforcement agencies state side busting their guts trying to stop them, as soon as they are over the border, not their problem anymore.
Also, perhaps Canada is guilty of snaffling away skilled people from countries that could use that skill set at home, now that is a ten thousand word piece of work there! Pad it out with some research and you have a doctorate.
Of course there will be bone fide refugees that need help, nobody will deny them help if warranted.
I believe that this country will be used by economic chancers without the language, education or skills, claiming asylum when their first choice is unsuccessful. Perhaps Canada will become first choice, only using the USA as a transit country, can't see the law inforcement agencies state side busting their guts trying to stop them, as soon as they are over the border, not their problem anymore.
Also, perhaps Canada is guilty of snaffling away skilled people from countries that could use that skill set at home, now that is a ten thousand word piece of work there! Pad it out with some research and you have a doctorate.
Of course there will be bone fide refugees that need help, nobody will deny them help if warranted.
Feb 20th 2017, 1:18 am
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Re: Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
Personally I don't think most persons have a problem with genuine refugees who are fleeing war and genocide and persecution.
There are over 65 million persons according to the UNHCR who are in need of some form of protection of which 21 million are refugees and over 10 million who are stateless persons.
So I ask you this question
How many should Canada take in?
Then we start looking at certain countries where Canada has received refugees from but lets exclude Syria for the time being.
The top 9 other countries over the last 5 years that Canada has received refugees from and who have made claims in Canada are
Nigeria, Hungary, China, Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey, Colombia, Somalia and Afghanistan.
From October 2016 to present Manitoba has been receiving higher numbers of citizens of Djibouti who have flown into the USA on valid US visas and then made their way to the Canadian border and now claiming refugee protection.
Current figures for Mexican citizens since the lifting of the visa requirements have not been released but there have been a number of claims.
So again not using Syrians how do you determine who is a genuine refugee?
Are all Chinese, Turkish, Colombians, Hungarians and Nigerians facing war, genocide and persecution?
Another recent trend are male citizens from Ghana claiming protection because they are gay. In cases like these how do you prove or disprove a claim?
There is no simple solution. Of course no politician wants to say we can't afford to help everyone but there is a cost and some Canadians feel that the monetary costs will eventually become too much and there will be cutbacks to services and programmes for everyone across Canada.
There are over 65 million persons according to the UNHCR who are in need of some form of protection of which 21 million are refugees and over 10 million who are stateless persons.
So I ask you this question
How many should Canada take in?
Then we start looking at certain countries where Canada has received refugees from but lets exclude Syria for the time being.
The top 9 other countries over the last 5 years that Canada has received refugees from and who have made claims in Canada are
Nigeria, Hungary, China, Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey, Colombia, Somalia and Afghanistan.
From October 2016 to present Manitoba has been receiving higher numbers of citizens of Djibouti who have flown into the USA on valid US visas and then made their way to the Canadian border and now claiming refugee protection.
Current figures for Mexican citizens since the lifting of the visa requirements have not been released but there have been a number of claims.
So again not using Syrians how do you determine who is a genuine refugee?
Are all Chinese, Turkish, Colombians, Hungarians and Nigerians facing war, genocide and persecution?
Another recent trend are male citizens from Ghana claiming protection because they are gay. In cases like these how do you prove or disprove a claim?
There is no simple solution. Of course no politician wants to say we can't afford to help everyone but there is a cost and some Canadians feel that the monetary costs will eventually become too much and there will be cutbacks to services and programmes for everyone across Canada.
Feb 20th 2017, 1:19 am
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Re: Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
How many we got walking to Manitoba?
Feb 20th 2017, 1:22 am
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Re: Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
At this rate, Trudeau may go down in history as Canada's Merkel, not Canada's Obama.
But at least he'll get some good selfies.
But at least he'll get some good selfies.
Feb 20th 2017, 1:25 am
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Re: Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
I am warming to Kellie Leitch's idea of screening immigrants for Canadian Values. Unfortunately, I don't think she means it to apply to Brits.
Feb 20th 2017, 1:28 am
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Feb 20th 2017, 1:29 am
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I respect this point of view. At some point the number of refugees accepted into Canada could become a burden on the rest of the population. The population is, I think, about 30,000,000 so 10% of that might be cause for concern, 3,000,000. Even 5% might be a lot of refugees; 1,500,000, especially if they all arrived at once at weren't established and able to support the next wave.
How many we got walking to Manitoba?
How many we got walking to Manitoba?
For the 3 crossings in Quebec
Statistics from the Canada Border Services agency show a sharp increase in the number of refugee claimants arriving at Quebec’s land border in recent months. From Nov. 1 to Jan. 31, there were 1,413 such claims; during the corresponding period a year earlier, there were just 331.
Quebec has daily crossings whereas Manitoba seems to get them primarily on weekends.
Feb 20th 2017, 1:35 am
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Feb 20th 2017, 1:47 am
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Re: Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
FL: as you well know, refugees are assessed under immigration criteria applicable to that class which includes inadmissibility etc.
There is the assumption in some of the posts I see that refugees will not become self supporting and that they drain the system without contributing to it. This is not necessarily the case. See this article with figures on refugee outcomes, particularly in Alberta:
Nearly 80% of refugees employed within a year of landing in Alberta: StatsCan - Calgary - CBC News
We shouldn't start with the assumption that refugees will drain even if they need support at the start. The system is designed with the aim of making them not only self supporting but contributors to Canada. I meet plenty who have become so or are on their way to so doing (in the space of about a year or so). Most refugees have to pay back their own immigration loan (the costs of bringing them to Canada, including transport, medicals, RPRF etc.).
There is the assumption in some of the posts I see that refugees will not become self supporting and that they drain the system without contributing to it. This is not necessarily the case. See this article with figures on refugee outcomes, particularly in Alberta:
Nearly 80% of refugees employed within a year of landing in Alberta: StatsCan - Calgary - CBC News
We shouldn't start with the assumption that refugees will drain even if they need support at the start. The system is designed with the aim of making them not only self supporting but contributors to Canada. I meet plenty who have become so or are on their way to so doing (in the space of about a year or so). Most refugees have to pay back their own immigration loan (the costs of bringing them to Canada, including transport, medicals, RPRF etc.).
Feb 20th 2017, 1:58 am
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Re: Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
Over the last 3 weekends including today there have been 78.
For the 3 crossings in Quebec
Statistics from the Canada Border Services agency show a sharp increase in the number of refugee claimants arriving at Quebec’s land border in recent months. From Nov. 1 to Jan. 31, there were 1,413 such claims; during the corresponding period a year earlier, there were just 331.
Quebec has daily crossings whereas Manitoba seems to get them primarily on weekends.
For the 3 crossings in Quebec
Statistics from the Canada Border Services agency show a sharp increase in the number of refugee claimants arriving at Quebec’s land border in recent months. From Nov. 1 to Jan. 31, there were 1,413 such claims; during the corresponding period a year earlier, there were just 331.
Quebec has daily crossings whereas Manitoba seems to get them primarily on weekends.
Feb 20th 2017, 2:31 am
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However this does not account for how many are showing up at the border like the ones in Manitoba and Quebec. Its not like CBSA & IRCC have an ongoing counter and once we reach the 40,000 number we suddenly say oops we have reached the quota you can't make a claim.
Also what is not factored in is that successful claimants can then sponsor their family members.
Its not unusual to see a Somali claimant crossing the border on his own. He then submits his paperwork and thats when you notice he has a wife and 7 children.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/departm...2016-10-31.asp
Feb 20th 2017, 2:42 am
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Actually the target for 2017 is 40,000.
However this does not account for how many are showing up at the border like the ones in Manitoba and Quebec. Its not like CBSA & IRCC have an ongoing counter and once we reach the 40,000 number we suddenly say oops we have reached the quota you can't make a claim.
Also what is not factored in is that successful claimants can then sponsor their family members.
Its not unusual to see a Somali claimant crossing the border on his own. He then submits his paperwork and thats when you notice he has a wife and 7 children.
Notice – Supplementary Information 2017 Immigration Levels Plan
However this does not account for how many are showing up at the border like the ones in Manitoba and Quebec. Its not like CBSA & IRCC have an ongoing counter and once we reach the 40,000 number we suddenly say oops we have reached the quota you can't make a claim.
Also what is not factored in is that successful claimants can then sponsor their family members.
Its not unusual to see a Somali claimant crossing the border on his own. He then submits his paperwork and thats when you notice he has a wife and 7 children.
Notice – Supplementary Information 2017 Immigration Levels Plan
Feb 20th 2017, 2:43 am
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Re: Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
FL: as you well know, refugees are assessed under immigration criteria applicable to that class which includes inadmissibility etc.
There is the assumption in some of the posts I see that refugees will not become self supporting and that they drain the system without contributing to it. This is not necessarily the case. See this article with figures on refugee outcomes, particularly in Alberta:
Nearly 80% of refugees employed within a year of landing in Alberta: StatsCan - Calgary - CBC News
We shouldn't start with the assumption that refugees will drain even if they need support at the start. The system is designed with the aim of making them not only self supporting but contributors to Canada. I meet plenty who have become so or are on their way to so doing (in the space of about a year or so). Most refugees have to pay back their own immigration loan (the costs of bringing them to Canada, including transport, medicals, RPRF etc.).
There is the assumption in some of the posts I see that refugees will not become self supporting and that they drain the system without contributing to it. This is not necessarily the case. See this article with figures on refugee outcomes, particularly in Alberta:
Nearly 80% of refugees employed within a year of landing in Alberta: StatsCan - Calgary - CBC News
We shouldn't start with the assumption that refugees will drain even if they need support at the start. The system is designed with the aim of making them not only self supporting but contributors to Canada. I meet plenty who have become so or are on their way to so doing (in the space of about a year or so). Most refugees have to pay back their own immigration loan (the costs of bringing them to Canada, including transport, medicals, RPRF etc.).
I see it from the other side as well. How many previous refugee claimants are awaiting deportation or are on administrative deferral of removals due to them being granted refugee protection and then going out and committing some horrendous crimes while living in Canada from a country that granted them protection.
Like I keep saying there is no simple solution.
This thread is about the refugees crossing in from the USA not the ones coming in either assisted by the Govt or privately sponsored or Blended Visa Office referred.
You have also to consider that a large number arriving from the USA have made claims for protection in the USA and had their claims denied after a hearing before a US Immigration Judge.
Feb 20th 2017, 3:08 am
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Re: Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
The targets are not new applications though: the numbers coming in 2017 will be those processed out of the existing already submitted applications. Haven't got the figures to hand but will try to look them up this evening.
And yes there's a difference in terms of processing between those that make a claim at border and those who apply via the PSR but they still have to meet the criteria.
And yes there's a difference in terms of processing between those that make a claim at border and those who apply via the PSR but they still have to meet the criteria.
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Feb 20th 2017, 11:24 am
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Re: Refugees claiming asylum in Manitoba
https://i.cbc.ca/1.3989857.148743896...a-refugees.jpg
Asylum-seekers flee U.S. border patrol by scrambling over snowbank into Quebec - Montreal - CBC News
Even with police/border patrol present, people are not deterred. Guess people can cross more safely during the day.
Asylum-seekers flee U.S. border patrol by scrambling over snowbank into Quebec - Montreal - CBC News
Even with police/border patrol present, people are not deterred. Guess people can cross more safely during the day.