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ExKiwilass Jan 25th 2013 7:34 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 10505771)
I think you'll find that one of the constituant nations of the UK was last conquered approx 950 years ago. The others were conquered much more recently.

In my experience the ethnic minority groups who have emigrated to Canada are a good less sympathetic/understanding to the situation of the first nation.

So what.

None of that makes what happened to the First Nations good, or acceptable. Of course we need to move on but blaming the victim and sweeping it all under hte carpet by saying hey I was colonized too (so long ago I don't remember) so they should shut up or I'm an ethnic minority too (even though I emigrated to Canada out of choice and am taking advantage of the land of the dispossessed people) doeesn't change that.

ExKiwilass Jan 25th 2013 7:35 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 10505790)
There’s a scientist somewhere who wants a lady to have a Neanderthal baby, which were apparently, the aboriginal people in the UK. So that could raise a lot of issues.

I really hope this doesn't happen :thumbdown:

jimf Jan 25th 2013 8:12 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by ExKiwilass (Post 10505801)
So what.

None of that makes what happened to the First Nations good, or acceptable. Of course we need to move on but blaming the victim and sweeping it all under hte carpet by saying hey I was colonized too (so long ago I don't remember) so they should shut up or I'm an ethnic minority too (even though I emigrated to Canada out of choice and am taking advantage of the land of the dispossessed people) doeesn't change that.

No one is sweeping it under the carpet or blaming any victim. It was noteworthy in the discussion on the news on CBC last night that none of the 3 main political parties, including individuals who have previously gone out of their way to engage with first nations, were accusing the federal government of not making reasonable efforts to engage with the protesters. Rather, the protests seem to be a reflection of conflict within the first nation community.

And the solution is............

Tony_Tiger Jan 25th 2013 8:13 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by ExKiwilass (Post 10505801)
So what.

None of that makes what happened to the First Nations good, or acceptable. Of course we need to move on but blaming the victim and sweeping it all under hte carpet by saying hey I was colonized too (so long ago I don't remember) so they should shut up or I'm an ethnic minority too (even though I emigrated to Canada out of choice and am taking advantage of the land of the dispossessed people) doeesn't change that.

So what do you suggest as a viable solution that would be accepted by First Nations and Canadians as a alternative to the Indian act?

Tony_Tiger Jan 25th 2013 8:17 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 
in answer to the original post. No, it was not a hunger strike.

JonboyE Jan 25th 2013 8:39 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by Tony_Tiger (Post 10505900)
So what do you suggest as a viable solution that would be accepted by First Nations and Canadians as a alternative to the Indian act?

Two examples I can think of are the Nisga'a in Northern BC and, much more recently, the Tsawwassen in Metro Vancouver. So far, examples of successful self-government outside the auspices of the Indian Act.

Hawk13 Jan 25th 2013 8:44 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by Tony_Tiger (Post 10505900)
So what do you suggest as a viable solution that would be accepted by First Nations and Canadians as a alternative to the Indian act?

Let's see, the Natives want land and money and not give up any of the freebies that they already have (like a free ticket to Uni or not paying taxes). And Canadians would probably want them to stop moaning and groaning about their lot in life.

Putting them on and keeping them on reserves is the worse thing. I'm all for compensation, then assimilation (doesn't mean you can't keep your traditions) then start paying your way like everyone else.

Almost Canadian Jan 25th 2013 8:47 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 10505960)
Two examples I can think of are the Nisga'a in Northern BC and, much more recently, the Tsawwassen in Metro Vancouver. So far, examples of successful self-government outside the auspices of the Indian Act.

Do you believe that non-First Nation Canadians wish for the Indian Act to remain in place?

What advantage does such a piece of legislation provide to non First Nations?

Oink Jan 25th 2013 8:55 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by Hawk13 (Post 10505975)
Let's see, the Natives want land and money and not give up any of the freebies that they already have (like a free ticket to Uni or not paying taxes). And Canadians would probably want them to stop moaning and groaning about their lot in life.

Putting them on and keeping them on reserves is the worse thing. I'm all for compensation, then assimilation (doesn't mean you can't keep your traditions) then start paying your way like everyone else.

You don't install gas fireplaces do you?

Almost Canadian Jan 25th 2013 8:58 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 
I have just quickly read through the Indian Act. For those interested, here it is: Indian Act 1985

I appreciate that there may be lots of secondary legislation. I also note that bands can asked to be removed from the list of bands and, one assumes, if they do, the Act will no longer apply.

Alan2005 Jan 25th 2013 9:33 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by ExKiwilass (Post 10505804)
I really hope this doesn't happen :thumbdown:

I hope it does. There haven't been enough mad scientist schemes recently.

Former Lancastrian Jan 25th 2013 9:39 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 10506072)
I hope it does. There haven't been enough mad scientist schemes recently.

Chelsea appointing Rafa as their manager was mad enough.

Oink Jan 25th 2013 9:41 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 10506072)
I hope it does. There haven't been enough mad scientist schemes recently.

Me too. It would really muddy the waters in the debate between racists.

Jingsamichty Jan 25th 2013 9:50 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 
There are enough neanderthal chavs running round as it is. I'd rather the boffins brought the dodo back to life because it was supposed to be very tasty. Or dinosaurs.

Oink Jan 25th 2013 10:01 am

Re: Was it really a hunger strike?
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 10506098)
There are enough neanderthal chavs running round as it is. I'd rather the boffins brought the dodo back to life because it was supposed to be very tasty. Or dinosaurs.

Wooly mammoths would be hilarious and very suited to Canadian weather.


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