Originally Posted by Oakvillian

so did I. Off-field = in the stands.

That's my point - it's unlikely to affect the result. If the losing side shouts abuse, they forfeit a game they were losing anyway.

but the problem comes as i say when the club challenges it, how could anyone deffinitively prove that a certain fan, or, section of fans did the chanting, even though it should be as obvious as you point out, a reasonable doubt will remain, and it will probably be replayed, to the losing teams obvious advantage.

I don't think anyone's suggesting that a single plonker shouting abuse from the stand is going to get picked out by the ref. But are you trying to tell me that enough people are in the "wrong" end that they would be able to make themselves heard, to the extent of distinguishing the words, over the other 76,000?

i've heard old trafford and other grounds, wigan springs to mind, where after a goal and the home side goes quiet, its quite easy to pick out a small group. as for individuals, well there are stewards everywhere, if, and its a big if, this is taken seriously, the stewards could be employed and this could be taken to an individual level with the ref being informed at half time say, or any other short break in the game.


I disagree - I think it has a chance of success if the sanctions are appropriate (e.g. game forfeits, points docked etc) and the clubs buy in to the idea - I mean really buy in, not just pay lip service - that racism has no place in a football ground. But that's just my opinion, and I'm not a die-hard (or even a die-easy, frankly) footie fan.

Originally Posted by Oakvillian

so did I. Off-field = in the stands.

That's my point - it's unlikely to affect the result. If the losing side shouts abuse, they forfeit a game they were losing anyway. If the winning side's supporters are guilty, it's in the club's interest to identify and ban those responsible. If abusive chants are coming from the winning side's section of the ground, they're hardly fans worthy of the name if they know they'll get the game forfeited and lose their team 3 certain points. Win-win, I'd have thought.
I don't think anyone's suggesting that a single plonker shouting abuse from the stand is going to get picked out by the ref. But are you trying to tell me that enough people are in the "wrong" end that they would be able to make themselves heard, to the extent of distinguishing the words, over the other 76,000?
I disagree - I think it has a chance of success if the sanctions are appropriate (e.g. game forfeits, points docked etc) and the clubs buy in to the idea - I mean really buy in, not just pay lip service - that racism has no place in a football ground. But that's just my opinion, and I'm not a die-hard (or even a die-easy, frankly) footie fan.

Originally Posted by rae

how do you do that, when you get lots of bits of my post and quote odd bits of it in boxes, i still have not figured it out.

Originally Posted by Oakvillian

so did I. Off-field = in the stands.

That's my point - it's unlikely to affect the result. If the losing side shouts abuse, they forfeit a game they were losing anyway. If the winning side's supporters are guilty, it's in the club's interest to identify and ban those responsible. If abusive chants are coming from the winning side's section of the ground, they're hardly fans worthy of the name if they know they'll get the game forfeited and lose their team 3 certain points. Win-win, I'd have thought.
I don't think anyone's suggesting that a single plonker shouting abuse from the stand is going to get picked out by the ref. But are you trying to tell me that enough people are in the "wrong" end that they would be able to make themselves heard, to the extent of distinguishing the words, over the other 76,000?
I disagree - I think it has a chance of success if the sanctions are appropriate (e.g. game forfeits, points docked etc) and the clubs buy in to the idea - I mean really buy in, not just pay lip service - that racism has no place in a football ground. But that's just my opinion, and I'm not a die-hard (or even a die-easy, frankly) footie fan.

Originally Posted by CaptainHook

Copy and paste your quoted message, and editing other bits to leave the bits you want to reply to.

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty

Look at any top-level team now and show me how .....green players are discriminated against? The football industry is colour-blind.

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian

Bloody hell, the posters on here are right, Britain has gone to the dogs, there were nowt like this in my day

Originally Posted by rae

its the new martian signing for liverpool, they are that desperate. don't call him a martini though or he will kick off.

Originally Posted by rae

ta, i take it thats with the new reply button, not the quote one, sorry if that is obvious i am not exactly computer literate at times.