PROPERTY VALUES AND INCOMES REQUIRED.
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PROPERTY VALUES AND INCOMES REQUIRED.
I saw this and thought it might be of interest to those contemplating buying property in Canada and the incomes required.
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It seems from the chart that the price of houses is about seven times the needed income.
How does that work; are houses usually purchased by working threesomes each of whom generates the "needed income"?
How does that work; are houses usually purchased by working threesomes each of whom generates the "needed income"?
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Re: PROPERTY VALUES AND INCOMES REQUIRED.
I saw this and thought it might be of interest to those contemplating buying property in Canada and the incomes required.
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Average Hamilton house price jumps 16.4% in past year - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton
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when it comes down to what you can afford, your down payment, the LTV etc, the lowest 5 year term variable rate at present (google is your friend) through a broker is 1.99%. So, for every $100,000 of mortgage it'll cost $212/mth in mortgage payments.
Go from there
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It doesn't really reflect what TD mortgage affordability calculator comes up with. An income of $55,000 with 10% down payment only nets you a mortgage of about $250,000 max.
We'll probably move next year. Current house doesn't really suit our needs and we have a couple who want to buy it privately. Trying to figure out what the next move will be tricky- far trickier than back home!
We'll probably move next year. Current house doesn't really suit our needs and we have a couple who want to buy it privately. Trying to figure out what the next move will be tricky- far trickier than back home!
Last edited by Tirytory; Dec 16th 2015 at 5:14 pm.
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I know the term 'average' means some will be more and some less but it does sort of put people off even looking.
I was just looking at assessed values the other day in my neighbourhood.
I know it's not the same as market value but the differences are a guide and I do know the asking price for houses in the area when we were house hunting. There were two just across from us that we looked at.
My house is actually the highest assessed value in the street and one of the highest in the surrounding streets.
We live in a very nice neighbourhood, close to shops, schools, hospital and minutes away from a major road with transit.
We're about $25k below that average figure and I know there are perfectly decent houses in good areas for much less. Playing around with the price range I can see twice as many houses up to $175k as over.
Occasionally I look at other areas of Canada to see what might be affordable for us (using capital additional to the equity in the current home) and there's a whole bunch of options either side of Toronto. From this graphic, Hamilton is listed as an astonishing average of $448k.
Now, I have no idea what the areas are like but an MLS search comes up with over 100 homes for under $200k and nearly half are detached houses.
Maybe Siouxie will confirm whether they're all in horrible areas or about to fall down or both.
Depending on where you draw the boundary lines a bit more than half of the houses in my town are under the average cost while about two-thirds of Hamilton's houses are under it's average.
Looking at the up-scale properties it seems that Hamilton's average is distorted by many houses for a few million or more.
In central Moncton less than 10% of houses for sale are over $300k.
This is perhaps one of those cases where average doesn't really represent the average person.
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Occasionally I look at other areas of Canada to see what might be affordable for us (using capital additional to the equity in the current home) and there's a whole bunch of options either side of Toronto. From this graphic, Hamilton is listed as an astonishing average of $448k.
Now, I have no idea what the areas are like but an MLS search comes up with over 100 homes for under $200k and nearly half are detached houses.
Maybe Siouxie will confirm whether they're all in horrible areas or about to fall down or both.
In central Moncton less than 10% of houses for sale are over $300k.
This is perhaps one of those cases where average doesn't really represent the average person.[/I]
http://www.durhamrealestate.org/uploads/marketwatch.pdf
I picked Oshawa, which from the looks of listings is similar to Moncton?
First one 3 bedroom for $239,900
https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/S...1J1K2-Lakeview
Second one at $235,000 with a basement apartment
https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/S...L1H5B2-Central
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The chart for at least 1 area of BC is a little misleading by including Mission and Abbotsford, Mission's lower prices water down the averages, and if you exclude Mission, my guess is the average in Abby will be higher then is listed.
I don't know if it makes a difference to what TD calculator says, but the chart is based on a 20% down payment.
Appears that only Atlantic Canada, & Windsor, ON are within our buying zone... But then again our income in those places would be lower and we wouldn't have access to a low income mortgage, so probably still couldn't afford to buy......
It doesn't really reflect what TD mortgage affordability calculator comes up with. An income of $55,000 with 10% down payment only nets you a mortgage of about $250,000 max.
We'll probably move next year. Current house doesn't really suit our needs and we have a couple who want to buy it privately. Trying to figure out what the next move will be tricky- far trickier than back home!
We'll probably move next year. Current house doesn't really suit our needs and we have a couple who want to buy it privately. Trying to figure out what the next move will be tricky- far trickier than back home!
Appears that only Atlantic Canada, & Windsor, ON are within our buying zone... But then again our income in those places would be lower and we wouldn't have access to a low income mortgage, so probably still couldn't afford to buy......
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Re: PROPERTY VALUES AND INCOMES REQUIRED.
The chart for at least 1 area of BC is a little misleading by including Mission and Abbotsford, Mission's lower prices water down the averages, and if you exclude Mission, my guess is the average in Abby will be higher then is listed.
I don't know if it makes a difference to what TD calculator says, but the chart is based on a 20% down payment.
Appears that only Atlantic Canada, & Windsor, ON are within our buying zone... But then again our income in those places would be lower and we wouldn't have access to a low income mortgage, so probably still couldn't afford to buy......
I don't know if it makes a difference to what TD calculator says, but the chart is based on a 20% down payment.
Appears that only Atlantic Canada, & Windsor, ON are within our buying zone... But then again our income in those places would be lower and we wouldn't have access to a low income mortgage, so probably still couldn't afford to buy......
I fancy this one even if it is a fixer upper http://www.loriv.com/MLS-Listing-699...-JONES-ST.aspx
Last edited by Siouxie; Dec 16th 2015 at 10:23 pm.
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You buy what you can afford then over time you pay down the mortgage, the property increases in value, and your income rises, so you can sell your home realise a larger deposit than you started with, and borrow a little more to "move up the property ladder".
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This is the lowest price house in Vancouver listed on the MLS... 938,000 and it's a fixer upper/tear down.
https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/S...olumbia-V5L1L3
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That doesn't work in Canada though. We've been overpaying our mortgage but if we used a realtor to sell them all we've done by overpaying the mortgage is pay their 5% + HST fee. It would leave us cost neutral and with the same deposit we started with..
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But when you have city's where a fixer upper requires an income of double the average or more, you may find that there is nothing you can afford if your not an above average 6 figure income household.
This is the lowest price house in Vancouver listed on the MLS... 938,000 and it's a fixer upper/tear down.
https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/S...olumbia-V5L1L3
This is the lowest price house in Vancouver listed on the MLS... 938,000 and it's a fixer upper/tear down.
https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/S...olumbia-V5L1L3
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Well it's not my fault you moved to Canada. ..... It's the same in the US.
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It does make it very difficult to actually acquire any more deposit. You really need to get it right first time. I'm wondering whether we should build