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Prince Harry and Meghan ......
This question was asked on another site, discussing their announcement that they would be moving to spend time in the UK and in North America. Some reports are suggesting that Canada is the preferred country, with some suggestion that the split could be 6 months in each country per year.
Assuming that these reports are accurate, the following question was asked .................. Would they be allowed to, or could they, just move to Canada to live for 6 months out of every year without having to undergo any immigration or visa applications or tests? It seemed an interesting question to me ............ does anyone have any idea whether a multi-millionaire (Harry is thought to be worth around £30 million, and Meghan around £4 million) could just move to live in Canada, and presumably earn money here (as they say they want to)? |
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Originally Posted by scilly
(Post 12787718)
This question was asked on another site, discussing their announcement that they would be moving to spend time in the UK and in North America. Some reports are suggesting that Canada is the preferred country, with some suggestion that the split could be 6 months in each country per year.
Assuming that these reports are accurate, the following question was asked .................. Would they be allowed to, or could they, just move to Canada to live for 6 months out of every year without having to undergo any immigration or visa applications or tests? It seemed an interesting question to me ............ does anyone have any idea whether a multi-millionaire (Harry is thought to be worth around £30 million, and Meghan around £4 million) could just move to live in Canada, and presumably earn money here (as they say they want to)? |
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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 12787731)
If they wish to live and/or work in Canada, strings will be pulled and the red carpet will be rolled out.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12787738)
Not by this CBSA officer
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12787738)
Not by this CBSA officer :lol:
Somehow I can't see Prince Harry on a Saturday morning Costco run texting/phoning Megan as to whether or not to buy the monster pack of bog roll this week or next. |
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If they withdraw from most of their Royal duties, or even renounce their titles (another suggestion seen), that would negate any strings being pulled, surely??
Would they have needed a visa for their private several week stay in that estate near Victoria? |
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Let's face it, there are few individuals more equal than royals, and when it comes to being equal, the Sussex's can claim to be among the most equal people on earth.
Canada immigration will claim their decision making does not discriminate and treats all on the basis of equality. Thus we can rest assured that since these two live a life of total equality then when it comes to decision making they'll find themselves right at the head of any queue populated with other equals, no matter how long that queue is. |
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Originally Posted by scilly
(Post 12787752)
If they withdraw from most of their Royal duties, or even renounce their titles (another suggestion seen), that would negate any strings being pulled, surely??
Would they have needed a visa for their private several week stay in that estate near Victoria? Even if they renounce their titles, PH is the future monarch’s son and brother. I have no doubt strings will always be pulled for them. They can stay stay/visit Canada for 6 months without a visa. |
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Good luck to them, I wouldn't wish being born into the Royal Family on my worst enemy. What a life.
I bet the writers of 'The Crown' are ecstatic, they just got another season of new material. |
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Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 12787758)
Good luck to them, I wouldn't wish being born into the Royal Family on my worst enemy. What a life.
I bet the writers of 'The Crown' are ecstatic, they just got another season of new material. |
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I don't think their being royal is an issue as far as immigration is concerned. They're rich, they can buy entry if they want, there's always an "investor" program.
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Is she already a Canadian citizen? She spent several years in Toronto, and seems to like it.
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Originally Posted by cxx
(Post 12787782)
Is she already a Canadian citizen? She spent several years in Toronto, and seems to like it.
She was probably here under one of the special visas arrangement under NAFTA for people with special abilities, ie acting. |
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I'm no royalist by any stretch of the imagination and I don't know about anyone else but I find myself at odds with some of how I feel about these two.
On the one hand, I see a privileged, wealthy family with none of the financial life burdens that the rest of us face and who have a good share in an extended business that requires nothing of them but that they show up and shake a few hands and be paid handsomely for the effort. On the other hand, I see a damaged couple shackled to an uncaring regime that seeks to trample individualism underfoot wherever they find it and unwilling or unable to acknowledge internal difficulties should it reflect unfavourably on the core business. And there's my conundrum. Against my deeper instincts I actually find myself feeling sorry for them, but I can't help wondering whether I'm being too soft. Others could very likely sustain the intrusive press attention and other disagreeable aspects of the job but it's clear that the stiff upper lip that shouts 'Calm down and carry on' has impacted a marriage that appears to want the best of all worlds. I wonder whether a different life outside the UK estranged from a family that will choose to keep them at arms length will be any better. It would never surprise me that Andrew with his shame will be treated better in the future than Harry, such is the distorted view of loyalty that I witness. |
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We're so far beyond first world problems here it's not funny.
It really is another reason to disband the monarchy, cease "their" wealth and move Britain into the 21st century. |
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It’s a soap opera
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e_iOSApp_Other Apparent endorsement of female only kitchen Meghan and Harry post new pictures of their visit to Grenfell kitchen https://mol.im/a/7873951 |
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Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12788033)
Others could very likely sustain the intrusive press attention and other disagreeable aspects of the job but it's clear that the stiff upper lip that shouts 'Calm down and carry on' has impacted a marriage that appears to want the best of all worlds.
I wonder whether a different life outside the UK estranged from a family that will choose to keep them at arms length will be any better. It would never surprise me that Andrew with his shame will be treated better in the future than Harry, such is the distorted view of loyalty that I witness. |
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Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 12788124)
We're so far beyond first world problems here it's not funny.
It really is another reason to disband the monarchy, cease "their" wealth and move Britain into the 21st century. Hopefully Andrew is held to account properly for his over-entitled philandering and self-enrichment and not just allowed to quietly slip into the background. |
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Some of the news in Canada is questioning who has to pay for security for them. Besides being a little cheap, our government will probably not want to pay because it will be unpopular, and because RCMP resources are already stretched thin, with many rural detachments understaffed so creating a safety issue. I think Harry and Meghan are great, wish them all the luck in the world, and as far as I'm concerned they're welcome to move anywhere they want. Canada will be richer for having them. The British could pay for protection either through their existing Protection Command run by the police, or by training up a course of soldiers in protection services at BATUS at CFB Suffield and using them for Royal duty, possibly rotating through diplomatic missions augmenting the Protection Command. Problem solved, in gratitude for the Invictus Games program, the British Army can provide security out of their budget, and it would probably be a coveted posting.
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They can pay for it themselves or the UK can pay for it, otherwise maybe they will need to learn to live without security. Canada shouldn't foot the bill, and it would be an issue with the public and opposition parties most likely and I don't think the government will choose to cover the costs because of that.
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 12788358)
Some of the news in Canada is questioning who has to pay for security for them. Besides being a little cheap, our government will probably not want to pay because it will be unpopular, and because RCMP resources are already stretched thin, with many rural detachments understaffed so creating a safety issue. I think Harry and Meghan are great, wish them all the luck in the world, and as far as I'm concerned they're welcome to move anywhere they want. Canada will be richer for having them. The British could pay for protection either through their existing Protection Command run by the police, or by training up a course of soldiers in protection services at BATUS at CFB Suffield and using them for Royal duty, possibly rotating through diplomatic missions augmenting the Protection Command. Problem solved, in gratitude for the Invictus Games program, the British Army can provide security out of their budget, and it would probably be a coveted posting.
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I'm with Jsmith on this. They are stepping away from their 'senior' duties and seeking a private and personal life away from media and spying eyes, then they are not entitled to security provided by a government. Be it either Canada or the US, if we are unfortunate enough for them to want to move to CA, let them foot the bill. The government is not paying for a security detail for me or my family unless you consider the police as such. And in that case, the police can patrol pass their house once or twice a day like they do mine.
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Not a royal fan but would argue that they're worth the money it costs the UK to have them Just for the tourist revenue they bring in. The Queen is entitled to a percentage of Crown Estate profits (property that belongs to the Crown, but profit generated now go to the state) which is named the Sovereign Grant.
In 2016–17 it was pinned at £42.8 mill (~$60mill).This is money that goes right to the Queen to fund her official duties. The tax payer does fund extras such as policing. By contrast, it is estimated that the Obama presidency costs just over £1billion ($1.4 billion) per annum. This includes everything from Air Force one to the his dog trainer. I'd argue that a president would't bring anywhere close to the directly related other revenues the royals do. |
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12788366)
They can pay for it themselves or the UK can pay for it, otherwise maybe they will need to learn to live without security. Canada shouldn't foot the bill, and it would be an issue with the public and opposition parties most likely and I don't think the government will choose to cover the costs because of that.
One idea I've seen floated is making Harry the next Governor General. There would be opposition to this, since the position has been filled by prominent Canadians for a long time, but it seems to make sense that the Queen's grandson could be the Queen's representative. Edit to add that what they are "stepping away" from and to what degree is still being decided. |
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Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 12788373)
Canada may have a legal obligation to foot the bill since they have protected person status and we're still part of the Empire. There's no reason the rule can't be revised, since this is an exceptional circumstance because it's a permanent or semi-permanent residency instead of just a visit. So far, while it has been on every newscast this morning, the only guy they're interviewing is the head of some kind of right-wing looking citizen's coalition. None of our political leaders is going to complain and go on record as being anti-Sussex, probably not even the Greens, but I think there will be an attempt behind the scenes by the Liberals to make a new deal for funding their security.
One idea I've seen floated is making Harry the next Governor General. There would be opposition to this, since the position has been filled by prominent Canadians for a long time, but it seems to make sense that the Queen's grandson could be the Queen's representative. Edit to add that what they are "stepping away" from and to what degree is still being decided. |
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
(Post 12788275)
I agree with you but it's hard to believe there are so many people - and press - who genuinely believe that the Royals are special. Kate is just an air hostess's daughter but they treat her like she's some sort of royalty. ;)
Hopefully Andrew is held to account properly for his over-entitled philandering and self-enrichment and not just allowed to quietly slip into the background. One side of me says 'let them work for a living' and we shouldn't be footing the bill and the other side of me says 'who cares, who are these people and why in the 21 st century do they still live in a palace etc and why does Canada still have some fundamental connection to this archaic set up.. I think Monty Python summed it up best. Arthur: I am your king! Woman: Well I didn't vote for you! Arthur: You don't vote for kings. Woman: Well how'd you become king then? [Angelic music plays...] Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering silmite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king! Dennis interrupting: Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony! ----------------------- Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you! ----------------------- Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away! |
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12788366)
They can pay for it themselves or the UK can pay for it, otherwise maybe they will need to learn to live without security. Canada shouldn't foot the bill, and it would be an issue with the public and opposition parties most likely and I don't think the government will choose to cover the costs because of that.
Didn't many of us on this board move here to get away from the Royals. ? |
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It's reported that their combined wealth totals about 60M CAD and it's their wish to become 'financially independent'.
I'm tempted to ask the questions... 'Are they not financially independent at the moment?' and 'Just how much cash do they want before the rest of us can go back to sleep?' and 'If security's an issue, and Canada's where they want to be, then a log mansion with a big wall around it in the middle of nowhere sounds just the place to me.' |
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Originally Posted by Rete
(Post 12788368)
I'm with Jsmith on this. They are stepping away from their 'senior' duties and seeking a private and personal life away from media and spying eyes, then they are not entitled to security provided by a government. Be it either Canada or the US, if we are unfortunate enough for them to want to move to CA, let them foot the bill. The government is not paying for a security detail for me or my family unless you consider the police as such. And in that case, the police can patrol pass their house once or twice a day like they do mine.
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I know 60 million would be sufficient ro get me throigh my life without working but they are probably used to a different lifestyle.
Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12788471)
It's reported that their combined wealth totals about 60M CAD and it's their wish to become 'financially independent'.
I'm tempted to ask the questions... 'Are they not financially independent at the moment?' and 'Just how much cash do they want before the rest of us can go back to sleep?' and 'If security's an issue, and Canada's where they want to be, then a log mansion with a big wall around it in the middle of nowhere sounds just the place to me.' |
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 12788596)
I know 60 million would be sufficient ro get me throigh my life without working but they are probably used to a different lifestyle.
If you're used to a penthouse suite when you stay at a hotel, fly first class, dine at the Ritz, drink the best champagne, own six $5m villas in glamorous locations around the world, you don't have to maintain that lifestyle, unchanged. Sell 5 of the villas and just live in one. You might not be able to afford the hotel suite as often as you'd like but half a millio a year interest on the money banked from selling the villas is just about manageable. :rolleyes: not to mention $25m rainy day money. |
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12788733)
.....not to mention $25m rainy day money.
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Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12788754)
It does rain a lot on the West Coast.... all those umbrellas cost a fortune...
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Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12788754)
It does rain a lot on the West Coast.... all those umbrellas cost a fortune...
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12788733)
I know that's what's usually said but I never accept it. The annual interest on "only" $1m is more than some people earn and nobody is asking wealthy types to do that.
If you're used to a penthouse suite when you stay at a hotel, fly first class, dine at the Ritz, drink the best champagne, own six $5m villas in glamorous locations around the world, you don't have to maintain that lifestyle, unchanged. Sell 5 of the villas and just live in one. You might not be able to afford the hotel suite as often as you'd like but half a millio a year interest on the money banked from selling the villas is just about manageable. :rolleyes: not to mention $25m rainy day money. If I won 1 million today, could probably live off the returns and increase our quality of life. I haven't even made 1 million in the 24 years I have been working, looks like I am roughly up to 650,000 lifetime earnings so far, so maybe by the time I die if I live another 25 years, I might make a million total lifetime earnings. Back when I was at the airline still our CEO was low paid by CEO standards at 500,000 a year, but in general he made more in 2 weeks than the average employee did in a year, and 1 1/2 weeks he earned more than a flight attendant which at the time was 13,000 a year. Tis life the top always gets the pie. |
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Plus richer people "loan" them things ......... such as the mansion where Harry & Meghan stayed on Vancouver Island. The same Russian allegedly loaned his yacht to Adele and friends.
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Originally Posted by scilly
(Post 12788854)
The same Russian allegedly loaned his yacht to Adele and friends.
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His Mum's Queen of Canada so I assume he is a member of the Canadian royal family, so wouldn't he have the right to live here???
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Originally Posted by MB-Realtor
(Post 12788902)
His Mum's Queen of Canada so I assume he is a member of the Canadian royal family, so wouldn't he have the right to live here???
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Originally Posted by MillieF
(Post 12788904)
He absolutely would, just like my family goes back through many ages in the U K...so I would have the same rights? Which of course I did, so I (or my handmaidens etc) would have to go through the whole pile of paperwork? Wouldn’t he? Or it might seem like nepotism to say the least?
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His mum is not the Queen. It is his grandmother who is the Queen.
But that was the question I posed in the OP ................ does that give him the right to emigrate here without fulfilling ANY of the requirements expected of anyone else wishing to enter Canada? From some of the things I've seen on the internet and in the media ......... this question IS being asked, eg it seems that they have to be careful how much time they spend in Canada and in England because of taxation. They could end up getting doubl;y taxed if they get it wrong. |
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