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geo4 Sep 9th 2011 12:12 am
Political "Attack Ads"
 
Outrageous. They should be outlawed.

The right wing seem to love them though.

Almost Canadian Sep 9th 2011 12:23 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
You need to blame the electorate, if they didnt work they wouldnt be used.

geo4 Sep 9th 2011 12:28 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9609864)
You need to blame the electorate, if they didnt work they wouldnt be used.
Serves to underscore how ignorant most people are.

Almost Canadian Sep 9th 2011 12:34 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by geo4 (Post 9609871)
Serves to underscore how ignorant most people are.
Please explain.

geo4 Sep 9th 2011 12:38 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9609879)
Please explain.
I only speak English.

What bit don't you get?

Almost Canadian Sep 9th 2011 12:41 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by geo4 (Post 9609886)
I only speak English.

What bit don't you get?
Whether the reference to the ignorant was aimed at me or the electorate.

geo4 Sep 9th 2011 12:55 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9609893)
Whether the reference to the ignorant was aimed at me or the electorate.
People who vote based on attack ads.

Souvy Sep 9th 2011 1:16 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by geo4 (Post 9609915)
People who vote based on attack ads.
All political campaigning is aimed at the relatively small proportion of the electorate that are liable to change parties. Attack ads have been around for a long time. They are no different to nicely-nicely ads.

geo4 Sep 9th 2011 1:30 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 9609954)
All political campaigning is aimed at the relatively small proportion of the electorate that are liable to change parties. Attack ads have been around for a long time. They are no different to nicely-nicely ads.
What a ridiculous statement.

Yes they've been around for a long time in the States but it's only recently I've seen them in Canada. And it always seems to be the Conservatives.

Almost Canadian Sep 9th 2011 1:32 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by geo4 (Post 9609986)
What a ridiculous statement.

Yes they've been around for a long time in the States but it's only recently I've seen them in Canada. And it always seems to be the Conservatives.
I pay little attention to such things, so I have no idea if this statement is true or not. If it is, does it not suggest that they are the better strategists?

geo4 Sep 9th 2011 2:26 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9609991)
I pay little attention to such things, so I have no idea if this statement is true or not. If it is, does it not suggest that they are the better strategists?
Maybe. In the same way Diego Maradona was the best tactician at the 1986 World Cup final, particularly against England.

Almost Canadian Sep 9th 2011 2:56 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by geo4 (Post 9610107)
Maybe. In the same way Diego Maradona was the best tactician at the 1986 World Cup final, particularly against England.
Really, I thought he scored once by virtue of the "goal of the tournament" and also scored via the infamous "hand of god". One through sheer brilliance and the ineptitude of his opponents, one through cheating. In which way do you believe the Conservatives are similar?

Souvy Sep 9th 2011 3:35 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by geo4 (Post 9609986)
What a ridiculous statement.

Yes they've been around for a long time in the States but it's only recently I've seen them in Canada. And it always seems to be the Conservatives.
Not ridiculous at all. Attack does not have to be a full frontal assault.

Novocastrian Sep 9th 2011 3:43 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 9610266)
Not ridiculous at all. Attack does not have to be a full frontal assault.
That's right. You could go Swift-boating.

iaink Sep 9th 2011 3:48 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 9609954)
All political campaigning is aimed at the relatively small proportion of the electorate that are liable to change parties. Attack ads have been around for a long time. They are no different to nicely-nicely ads.
Except that sadly they seem to work.

Bored by the election already, dont fancy either side. After watching Capitalism: a Love Story Ive half a mind to waste my vote on the greens and just continue to ignore the whole sorry campaign.

Souvy Sep 9th 2011 4:12 am
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9610279)
That's right. You could go Swift-boating.
Quite. Layton was using stealth. "Vote for me because I'm nice and am recovering from cancer". It worked.

Let's not forget that he was a political scientist (PhD and professor). He knew what he was doing and, from what I've read, had his strategy planned out years ago. He was always going for the QC vote. Love him or hate him, he was no fool.

Novocastrian Sep 10th 2011 4:07 pm
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 9610342)
Quite. Layton was using stealth. "Vote for me because I'm nice and am recovering from cancer". It worked.
What's that got (even were it to be true) to do with it?

I meant to imply that negative ads are unfortunate but acceptable as long as the perpetrator of the ad doesn't make up some ludicrous lie and attempt to destroy an opponent based upon said lie.

Layton was always going for the QC vote. Love him or hate him, he was no fool.
Always? Never mentioned it when he was a member of the council in Toronto. Or, as far as I can recall, ever since.

I think you've been on the Dark Side overly long.

Lord Vader Sep 10th 2011 4:40 pm
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
The cliche style political ads are useless "vote fer me ,cause um, me wants a better country (as if your opponents else wants a worse country). People that vote based on those are the dupes IMO.

Souvy Sep 11th 2011 11:09 pm
Re: Political "Attack Ads"
 
Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 9613036)
What's that got (even were it to be true) to do with it?

I meant to imply that negative ads are unfortunate but acceptable as long as the perpetrator of the ad doesn't make up some ludicrous lie and attempt to destroy an opponent based upon said lie.



Always? Never mentioned it when he was a member of the council in Toronto. Or, as far as I can recall, ever since.

I think you've been on the Dark Side overly long.
Perhaps not always but for quite a long time, according to this.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2011/05/02/h...quebecs-heart/


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