Paris Attacks
Nov 16th 2015, 2:06 pm
#181
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Re: Paris Attacks
So now it seems there are two passports - identical details except a different photo.
It's not even worth speculating anymore the way things change from one minute to the next with confirmation and then confirmation of something else.
It's not even worth speculating anymore the way things change from one minute to the next with confirmation and then confirmation of something else.
Nov 16th 2015, 5:25 pm
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Re: Paris Attacks
Did Paris attacker pose as a refugee? - BBC News
Nov 16th 2015, 6:59 pm
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No, it's not worth speculating. Luckily things DO change from one minute to the next, and any speculation concerning breaking news on forums is already out of date. Pinches of salt are needed for info via the media, unless it's from an official source.
But thank you for your support for the French Nation at this time....
Nov 16th 2015, 10:29 pm
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Nice cover from Charlie Hebdo. Guardian translates as
They have weapons. We don’t mind, we have champagne.
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Nov 16th 2015, 10:42 pm
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Even some of those have been contradictory.
Nice cover from Charlie Hebdo. Guardian translates as
Its editor in chief, Riss, wrote: “Without realising it, Parisians in 2015 have become like the Londoners of the 1940, determined not to give in to fear no matter what. It’s the only response we can show to terrorists.”
Nice cover from Charlie Hebdo. Guardian translates as
Its editor in chief, Riss, wrote: “Without realising it, Parisians in 2015 have become like the Londoners of the 1940, determined not to give in to fear no matter what. It’s the only response we can show to terrorists.”
(The translation "we don't mind" was a bit mild!! "They can get stuffed" is a politely rude way of translating the French, but there are worse terms which I'll leave to your imagination!
Nov 16th 2015, 11:02 pm
#187
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Re: Paris Attacks
So our new PM is still committed to pulling out our CF18's from Syria. Looks like he sticking to the votors wishes.
Nov 16th 2015, 11:38 pm
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Nov 16th 2015, 11:43 pm
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And rightly so! My sil who was living in Paris in 1995 says that the Parisians are vaccinated against fear.
(The translation "we don't mind" was a bit mild!! "They can get stuffed" is a politely rude way of translating the French, but there are worse terms which I'll leave to your imagination!
(The translation "we don't mind" was a bit mild!! "They can get stuffed" is a politely rude way of translating the French, but there are worse terms which I'll leave to your imagination!
Nov 16th 2015, 11:46 pm
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Re: Paris Attacks
Watch this BBC news video gives all the details from the front line
Did Paris attacker pose as a refugee? - BBC News
Did Paris attacker pose as a refugee? - BBC News
Nov 17th 2015, 12:50 am
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I think this is the same as his article in the Sunday Times (which can only be read by subscribers)....
But they cannot stream northwards and westwards without some of that political malaise coming with them. As Gibbon saw, convinced monotheists pose a grave threat to a secular empire.
It is doubtless true to say that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Europe are not violent. But it is also true the majority hold views not easily reconciled with the principles of our liberal democracies, including our novel notions about sexual equality and tolerance not merely of religious diversity but of nearly all sexual proclivities. And it is thus remarkably easy for a violent minority to acquire their weapons and prepare their assaults on civilisation within these avowedly peace-loving communities.
But they cannot stream northwards and westwards without some of that political malaise coming with them. As Gibbon saw, convinced monotheists pose a grave threat to a secular empire.
It is doubtless true to say that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Europe are not violent. But it is also true the majority hold views not easily reconciled with the principles of our liberal democracies, including our novel notions about sexual equality and tolerance not merely of religious diversity but of nearly all sexual proclivities. And it is thus remarkably easy for a violent minority to acquire their weapons and prepare their assaults on civilisation within these avowedly peace-loving communities.
Nov 17th 2015, 2:19 am
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Re: Paris Attacks
The Atlantic has a (very long) examination of the background to ISIS, and what it is they're actually trying to accomplish. It's a sobering read: the tl;dr version seems to be that it's the Islamic equivalent of a doomsday sect somewhat like the Branch Davidians, except that they've almost accidentally grown to a point that they hold significant territory and large numbers of people. But the end-game is the same: hastening the apocalypse by setting up a massive fight, that they know they will ultimately lose, with the rest of the world. Winning the fight isn't the aim. So the kind of attritional sniping that the rest-of-the-world is doing now is quite possibly the least-bad option for engaging ISIS, as it's the opposite of what they are trying to provoke.
What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic
And on a lighter note, here's a rather splendid piece, which has been reposted a lot recently even though it's a year or so old, wherein Reza Aslan (Islamic scholar and creative writing prof at UC Riverside) tries to explain to CNN journalists that "Muslim countries" is an unhelpful shorthand to describe authoritarian and repressive regimes. "Using two or three examples to justify a generalization - that's actually the definition of bigotry."
What ISIS Really Wants - The Atlantic
And on a lighter note, here's a rather splendid piece, which has been reposted a lot recently even though it's a year or so old, wherein Reza Aslan (Islamic scholar and creative writing prof at UC Riverside) tries to explain to CNN journalists that "Muslim countries" is an unhelpful shorthand to describe authoritarian and repressive regimes. "Using two or three examples to justify a generalization - that's actually the definition of bigotry."
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Nov 17th 2015, 2:32 am
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I don't think it matters if the attacker pretended to be a refugee. That's an obvious route for him to have taken but, if it were not available, he would have taken another one. Back with the Kansas City analogy, it doesn't matter if you cancel the bus or the train, you'll still have the attacker.
Nov 17th 2015, 3:19 am
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Nov 17th 2015, 3:26 am
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Totally disagree with that defeatist point of view. Whats next, no security at all? freely available weapons on every street corner? You can't stop every attack but by making it as difficult as possible you reduce the number of attacks and increase the chance of the attackers getting caught.
In supermarkets and at places of work you can have the military search them before they enter.
What else do people need, as after all, we do have the internet now.
