The Ontario Sunshine List.
 

So the latest Ontario sunshine list has been released and has been reported on numerous media websites. What is this sunshine list some might ask?
Well its the list of public sector workers employed by the Ontario Govt who make or made in excess of $100,000 in salaries. In total, the list for 2016 includes 115,259 names — up from 111,440 in 2014. The Toronto police top the list for the city, employing 4,638 officers who each earn more than $100,000 per year.

This is the bit that caught my eye
Twenty-one station collectors, the individuals who collect fares and sell tokens and Metropasses at subway stations, earned more than $100,000 in 2015. Derrick Dezilva, the highest-paid station collector, earned $117,022.67 in 2015.


Sunshine list 2016: TTC, police lead the way for Toronto with thousands earning more than $100K | National Post

I now expect a rush of Ontarian's to be filling out application for the TTC to apply to be a ticket collector :rofl:

This has got to be one of the best comments that seriously made me laugh out loud

Cops and firemen I have no problem paying. But handing out TTC tickets can get you on the list? I was visiting Hong Kong in 1985 and much of the ticketing was already automated. This was fking 30 years ago!!! Paying monkeys to hand out bananas is insane. And let's not forget the scam they pull whenever a rate hike is made. The monkeys load up on tokens at the old price, the next day they sell to the zoo goers for the new price and pocket the difference.

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How much overtime did it take to reach that figure?

I did a bit of googling and found a report from (I think) when one of these collectors broke the $100k and it was overtime of a minimum 20 hours a week that effectively doubled his pay.

It's rather typical of the way things go today. A bunch of people earn in excess of $100k, some of them many times that amount and it's the ones at the bottom (likely putting in more hours) that get ridiculed. :(

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Why do they have employees selling tickets?

Machines can do it no issue.

Vancouver the stations are fully automated.

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Maybe some like dealing with people and face to face...like how some prefer to be able to have a bank to call at ;)

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Why is it so wrong for ordinary working stiffs to earn $100,000? We have a number of school caretakers at my employer who earn well above that, but they work all the weekend rentals and two to four hours at night, just so that the students (who are some of the most unhousetrained individuals I have ever come across) can have a nice, clean and safe environment in which to learn nothing!

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All it tells me is that my husband is not being paid enough. I feel very poor now as every Joe Bloggs seems to be making over 100000.

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The lost shouldn't include overtime payments.

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Why not? Is it not still paid out tax payers money ?

Hydro one or Ontario power (I forget which one) not on the list ehh, only 15% of it is private sector now but Wynne won't let us know about the other 85% that Torontonians have to pay for.

Pan am games bonuses are eye watering BTW

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FFS. This goddam Sunshine list was started by the much loved Mike Harris in, I think, 1996.

$100,000 in 1996 dollars is worth less than half that today.

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Sometimes we feel downright impovershed....lol... We barely got to 30k last year which is both good and bad....




I do think if this list was made in the 90s it needs to be upped to maybe 150k to account for inflation and other rises in life. 100K is not the same value wise as the late 90s.

My dad is govt employee in US, makes something in the 70k range now. But took 38 or 39 years to reach and is no longer possible in his department to earn thst much. He is on the old payscale. Pay now is between 11hr and 20hr for the department and mostly part time on call.

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Because it doesn't compare like for like.

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You are correct. The fact that it probably needs updating I have no problem with.
I can say for certainty that my salary has not increased 50% since 1996.
I have no problems with people making decent salaries and of course we know its very hard to find a private sector sunshine list be it from 1996 or today.
I would hazard a guess and say when you were working you would have made a sunshine list to which you would probably reply but Im highly educated and sought after in my field of work and that I deserved that salary plus the defined pension benefit plan you are now drawing from.
Of course any public sector worker faces scrutiny as we all know they are overpaid and have golden pensions plus can accumulate generous sick time that they use at the end of their careers so in essence retire earlier and still being paid a salary.

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Some of them are offered far more in buy out offers to go on pension early.

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They include bonuses, that's extra to a 40 hour week.

I like your thinking tho, if only revenue Canada would tax me on regular Time only and OT be tax free, now ya talking !!! :@)

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Wouldn't that be nice!

I suppose when this was introduced the fat cats would be salaried with no overtime etc. Now with inflation and current wages it is a nonsense to compare those on hourly rates and overtime to those on a salary with no overtime.

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1: It's only money
2: You can't take it with you

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I took some to England on holiday ;)

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I'd actually say it's none of your business.

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Just to emphasise my point about the increasing irrelevance of $100K, this table Ontario Sunshine List - search & analyze shows that the number of earners above this arbitrary threshold has gone from less than 5000 in 1996 to over 115,000 in 2015.

It's just stupid and apart from being being a divisive invasion of privacy, is a fossil remnant of Harris's attack on public sector workers and their unions 20 years ago.

ETA: Playing around with the metrics on that site shows that to get the number on the list back down to around the 5,000 on the 1996 list, you have to increase the 2015 threshold to $200,000.

QED.

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True but if you are or were a public servant then your salary would be disclosed publicly so then it becomes everyones business as they can search the various data bases.
When lists like this are published its just more ammunition to complain about public servants and especially nowadays where many are saying these wages and benefits are not sustainable and especially budgets given to police forces.
Severance packages have now almost been eliminated from the Federal Public Service so the new hires won't see those.
Enjoy your retirement.

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Only in Ontario. Which isn't particularly fair is it?

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Actually a few Provincial Govts do and we are now starting to see cities post them

Government of Alberta Salary Disclosure
British Columbia 2014 - Salary Disclosure Stats - SunshineListStats.com
http://www.winnipeg.ca/corp/document...disclosure.pdf
Nova Scotia Department of Finance - Public Sector Compensation Disclosure

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Fair enough. I thought only ON was stupid enough.

How about the feds? :sneaky:

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Cost Of Living 1996

How Much things cost in 1996
Yearly Inflation Rate USA 2.93% Year End Close Dow Jones Industrial Average 6448 Interest Rates Year End Federal Reserve 8.25% Average Cost of new house $118,200.00 Average Income per year $36,300.00 Average Monthly Rent $554.00 Cost of a gallon of Gas $1.22 US Postage Stamp 32 cents Average cost of new car $16,300.00 Loaf of Bread $1.15 Minimum Hourly Wage Raised To $5.15
Below are some Prices for UK guides in Pounds Sterling
Average House Price 69,453 Gallon of Petrol 2.70 Yearly Inflation Rate UK 2.4% Interest Rates Year End Bank of England 5.94% FTSE 100 Average 3800

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I wasn't aware that most Ontario public sector workers live in the USA.

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I know weird ehh, is just rough comparison only

Game boys were just coming popular and walk mans

I wonder if the sunshine list people of 1996 would still be happy with the same wage today? 200,000 is a more realistic number to base the list on, if we really need a list?

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I actually made the same amount in 1996 as I did in 2015.

But I retired on July 1st 2015.

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:nod:

Whoever started the thread should be strung up. :rofl:

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This article was dated 28 Mar 2013
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/cana...220207728.html

On Wednesday, Parliament passed second reading of Bill C-461 — The CBC and
Public Service Disclosure and Transparency Act.

If the Bill is adopted, as is, the salaries and expenses of all federal public service workers who make over $188,000 would be subject to access to information requests.

Actually the salaries of most Feds are disclosed but do not name the individual. The Treasury Board show the salaries for workers in this document

https://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pubs_pol/h...s-taux-eng.asp

So if you know the employer and classification its easy to find and for anybody who is interested this is my annual salary

$70120 and the last contract expired in June 2014 and we have been offered a 0.5% raise. Of course the politicians gave themselves a 2.3% raise which is 5 times more than what the workers are being offered.

Its not very hard to find out the salaries of most public sector workers but Im betting IBM, Google and a few others have no intention of releasing their workers salaries.

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Do workers in your job classification or at the CBSA get paid overtime?

Of course your salary of some $70k has medical benefits, more paid vacation days & a nice civil service pension which most common every day non-government sector workers don't have

Lucky is you

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Then again there are folks that don't earn enough to save for a rainy day, just living from week to week,no vacations, no works pension,no RRSP's or TFSA's

More common than some of the rich salaried or (above the norm) pensioned folks on BE would be my guess

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Surely there must be other jobs in Canada that have 'monkey' labels on them, even in the federal worker sector occupations :eek:

I wonder what the highest paid 'traffic warden' earned last year?

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I get it all of the time as well as a few others.
A lot of the sunshine list shows overtime payments which is not an actual reflection of the salary paid. If Im offered 20 hrs a week overtime and take it every week then my earnings would be a lot higher seeing as overtime is paid at 1.5, 1.75 or 2 x times the hourly rate plus some get shift and weekend premium pay which can be over $2 an hour extra. I can get an extra $38 just for working a 3pm to 0130 shift on a Saturday or Sunday.

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@ post#33

Then its safe to say that many or most CBSA personnel would make the ongoing [year after year] sunshine list - including yourself FL?

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I would have made it in 2015 but won't make it this year. I have no desire to work overtime unless its the odd hour here and there. Let the young uns burn themselves out. Been there done that don't need to be working 12 to 14 hour shifts. All the overtime I worked cost me more in divorce proceedings :lol:

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Here Comes the Sun. Or not. It's really up to you.

Some people just don't have the ambition.

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There is absolutely no reason a ticket/token collector should be earning anywhere near this much money per year.

That salary works out to about $58.00/hour, assuming a 40 hour week. This guy is getting paid more than many professionals I know that went to school for 8+ years to get their current job.

If it was a private sector job, this guy wouldn't get paid more than $15.00 / hour ($30,000 / year). Even accounting for government inflated wages, the absolute most he should be getting paid is $30 / hour ($60,000 / year).

Seriously...why is this guy making so much? Is he the only ticket/fare collector the TTC has, which means he has to work ridiculous amounts of overtime? Even if he is, don't they have machines for this exact same job? Most cities have machines where you put money in and it spits out a transfer. Why are we paying this guy nearly $120,000 / year to do a job that can be done for virtually nothing by a machine?

And Ontario wonders how it managed to get to 300 BILLION dollars in debt..


Speaking of which.....What's 100k+/year looks like.

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2069828.1381979716...epingttc-2.jpg

Note: This picture was taken on Jan 9th, 2010. This TTC employee died on Nov 27th, 2010.

TTC employee caught sleeping on the job in January dies of stroke

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This assumes, I think erroneously, that there is, in the general case, some relation between the rate of pay for a job and the "value" of that job.

I don't see why the ticket collector is less deserving of his or her pay than Fred Goodwin or, indeed, the Queen of England. Like it says on the aeroplanes "people don't get what they deserve, they get what they negotiate". If a TTC collector is really getting rich, well, good luck, the collector isn't the least deserving taker of a large income.

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Seems health is why he may have fallen asleep due to medication. He took medical leave after the photo was taken as well.

We have no idea as to hos health at the time of the photo.

And going to school for 8 year doesnt make one more worthy of a high wage.

Just because someone went to school doesnt mean they deserve a high wage simply because they had the opportunity to continue an education.

The guy spent 30 years in his job and someone felt the need to ridicule without knowing any back story. One of the downsides to phones having cameras.

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Overtime at time and a half, plus extra for weekends and evening shifts, double time for stat holidays and shirt shifting. You really begrudge someone working extra hours and being paid for their time?