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I don't necessarily disagree but the fact is that Catholic schools were guaranteed in the Constitution and that right cannot be taken away without changing the Constitution - an endeavor that would open up 100 other cans of worms that simply aren't worth opening.

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On the one hand it would seem to make much more sense to combine the education systems into one, not bother with having two separate ones... well, four when you factor in the French aspect of it!

None of the parties will particularly touch the education side of things with a 10 foot pole right now. John Tory (who I otherwise like!) tried that when he ran awhile back, and the PCs got completely slaughtered with it. Granted, that was looking at creating MORE boards for more religions... but still.

I looked at that issue on CBC's vote compass... none of the main three will touch it right now. Greens are saying they'd ditch the Catholic one... but, well, you know.

Hudak's rationale at least makes a bit of sense - it would create one giant mother union of teachers that would be way too powerful. I'll at least give him that...

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No, it is a problem for anyone with an ounce of common sense that enables them to understand that it is unsustainable.



And the drastically increased energy costs that resulted from their ridiculous Green Energy Act had nothing to do with a contraction in manufacturing?




First of all, they haven't closed them as the last one will not close until the end of this year. Second, they promised to close them all by 2007 but, as usual, they screwed that up. and third, their energy conservation measures are both a joke and a scandal (taking away the rights of municipalities and forcing wind turbines onto rural areas that did not want them).




Oh spare me. I am well educated. You, however, do not seem to be since you cannot see what a disaster the Liberals have been for this province. Surely anyone with common sense, and especially someone with an education, can see that. The only ways someone wouldn't be able to see that is if they were stupid, uneducated, or ideologically blinded.

I am not advocating that anyone vote for the Conservatives, or any other party for that matter, as I voted Conservative in the last election and NDP in this one (I voted at an advance poll the day they opened in my riding). I am simply advocating that people look at what a disaster the Liberals have been, how many lies they have told (starting with Dalton promising not to raise taxes and then immediately bringing in the largest tax increase in Ontario's history and running right up to the whoppers Wynne has been telling in this election campaign), how corrupt they are, and how many billions of dollars they have wasted and that they vote for anybody but the Liberals as that party has lost any moral authority to govern this province.

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The individual school board unions are already too powerful...one mega union would not be my ideal situation...the non-teaching staff union within the school boards does a great job of protecting the employees from the realities of the real world...:thumbsup:

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Were AB and SK even part of Canada in 1867? I didn't think they joined the Confederation until 1905.

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You are correct...I"m just relying on the all knowing, all seeing wikipedia..it never lies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separate_school

I think that in 1867 it was only for what was then upper canada, lower canada, nb and ns. pei only joined a few years later.

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I'm with Colchar on this regarding the Lie-ibrals, I just can't go for them, even if they did have other good things, the bad stuff is just outa whack.

I can totally understand why a teacher, lecturer would vote for them, but that's a decision they will have to live with to get the best for them selves.

Still undecided here, they spend more time slagging each other off than actually saying what they can do for us.?

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Of course it's sustainable, the province has always been in debt in modern times. You can't do the things you need to do without financing some debt any more than you can invest in the property market without a mortgage (generally speaking).




:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Oh dear.

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Quite.

Maybe we have two university professors on here?

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A friend of mine posted this - how to vote strategically.

http://www.tanzeelio.com/2014/06/how...ntario-on.html

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HCkokKrqzx...00/Ridings.png

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Jeez our riding is close !

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Considering it's election day and I'm STILL on the fence about what to do, I can't decide if it makes me feel better or worse that Oakville is 72% likely to end up Liberal.

Every vote counts, though... really hoping everyone who is eligible to vote DOES go vote!!!

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oh I'm definitely going to vote and I think seeing how close it actually is has helped me form a decision.

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do they publish exit poll data ?
tried a quick google , didn't see anything

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Not sure... I do know a ton of people who voted in the advance polls...

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The TV coverage starts at 8:30 this evening on CBC Newsworld. They usually have the exit poll data.

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Looking like a Lie-bral majority

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Sounds like BC's election last year, people complained about wanting change (seems people were complaining like crazy in ON about the leaders in charge) but on election day kept the same party to run things. But unions lose in BC with BC Liberals in charge, they are very anti-union, and corporation friendly. (not sure where ON Liberals stand on unions.)

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Oh, what a shame.

Little Tim "Bugs Bunny" Hudak has resigned.

One more to go for tonight.

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Not tonight then.

Horwath declines to fall on her sword this evening. No problem, someone will stab her in the back at the first opportunity.

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I don't know... she hasn't lost seats overall, the apocalyptic scenario for the NDP was to let a Tory government in. In effect, Horwath has given herself a few more years to get her act in gear, to get over the internal party wrangles from having propped up a minority government, and try and think up some policy positions that significantly differentiate the NDP from the Liberals (this election's platform was a bit thin on those).

If I were her, I wouldn't be too terribly disappointed. At least now she'll have an NDP-flavoured budget presented in a couple of weeks (assuming the Grits just reintroduce the one they tabled earlier this year and don't do a major rewrite) and on other matters she can be more aggressive in opposition. With Hudak resigning, the Tories (despite being the second party at Queens Park) are likely to be in disarray for some time so we'll effectively have an NDP opposition.

What are the chances that John Tory, after losing Toronto to Olivia Chow in October, will be parachuted in to a by-election (Niagara West might have a vacancy before too long) and stand for the party leadership? Having blown his chance at the Premiership and resigned the party lead, I can't see that Hudak will stay on in provincial politics on the back benches. Ottawa or Bay Street?

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Biggest hurdle around here to people voting NDP I suspect is the political reality of the riding.

In my riding if enough people vote NDP then the Conservative gets in.

The NDP vote was markedly down this time around (6000 ish compared to 9000ish last time) in favour of the (winning) Liberal candidate after the Conservative was elected by a few hundred votes last time around.

Thats a tough one to address as leader.

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Quite. Looking at some of the results breakdowns this morning, it seems tactical voting has played a significant part in returning Wynne to government. It certainly did in two ridings local to me: in both Burlington and Halton (Lib gains from Tory) the PC vote was almost identical from 2011 to yesterday, and the Libs gained a few thousand votes largely at the expense of the NDP. In Halton the total vote is also significantly larger, mainly because of the rapid increase in population in Milton and Georgetown. The tories appear to have picked up very few of those new votes.

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You may well be right, but I can't see a leader who triggered the election by voting down a virtually text book NDP budget, lost the political support of swathes of the base and of the major unions in doing so and then turns out to have sacrificed any meaningful influence on the government, lasting very long at all.

And yes to your and iaink's comments on tactical voting to block Hudak being the key. She should have figured that out.

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Definitely the case in three local ridings. Peterborough, Durham, and Northumberland. Durham was a Liberal win from the PC incumbent by only 1236 votes, 2.3%.