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Butch Cassidy Aug 10th 2009 6:58 am

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Originally Posted by Brownstar (Post 7827418)
Constant would be every post.................why not take time to gather evidence before casting aspersions that cause people's judgment to be clouded.

Now haven't you got a bratty daughter to look after?

Her Bratty daughter is too busy trawling the threads looking for 'naughty' words.

rae Aug 10th 2009 7:00 am

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[QUOTE=iaink;7830052Moderation by opinion poll, wouldnt that be something.
[/QUOTE]

quite and why not.

moderators to serve a tenure of no more than 1yr.

moderators must have at least 1,000 post to their name and 1yr on the forum to evidence they have contributed and know what its all about.

moderation is a condition of membership of the forum, everyone takes their turn on a rotational basis, worked on seniority.
this way everyone takes a bite of the s++t sandwich and experiences what its like/has the chance to do it if they want.

just a thought.

rae Aug 10th 2009 7:00 am

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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 7830104)
Her Bratty daughter is too busy trawling the threads looking for 'naughty' words.

hhheeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyy, ban just this minute ended mate, ha ha ha ha

livermanl Aug 10th 2009 7:02 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 7830033)
This over-earnest free speech stuff is silly; So the mods are sometimes inconsistent - so what? really what actually happens other than a few people getting their knickers in a twist unnecessarily?


Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7830057)
But where does it say that the maple leaf was OK for abusive or insulting posts, or putting down newbies?


Insulting and abusive are subjective I guess....hence the advice that if you dont like the intervention here (although we mostly only intervene when posts are reported by others) you can try your luck in the other forums with other mods....

The reason why I persue this so much is that I moderate 3 forums.

I am a moderator in a boxing forum, an IT forum and a video game forum.

I have to apply the same rules as posted on this site and it never gets out of hand.

If 2 people disagree then as a mod you should either ignore it or get rid of BOTH members rarely is it one person attacking the other and rarely is it a one thread argument (typically arguments happen over every thread each member is in).

This is why I prefer to say ignore it. Much better to have an auto-reply of "if you want to be banned also then stop reporting this person as both of you are breaking rules".

There is nothing worse in my opinion than someone who provokes an issue then reports the reply...

I know it is challenging keeping up with all the bickering which occurs over lengths of time and threads, this is why it is best to ignore individuals fighting and if it really gets out of hand then step in and just say you will both be banned if you keep it up. Why should only one person be banned when it's normally between 2 or more people?

rae Aug 10th 2009 7:03 am

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Originally Posted by iaink;7830052
LOL, As far as not having carte blanche goes, [I
Several [/I]times Ive found myself holding back on posting what I really think about certain members simply because its not worth the trouble it would be to clean up the thread afterwards.

but this what we all do iain and it is even more expected of the mods because of the position, its a given, not something to be applauded. so when its abused it gets peoples backs up.
[F]do as i say, not as i do. the worst, the abject worst thing ever.[/FONT]

iaink Aug 10th 2009 7:05 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 7830109)
quite and why not.

moderators to serve a tenure of no more than 1yr.

moderators must have at least 1,000 post to their name and 1yr on the forum to evidence they have contributed and know what its all about.

moderation is a condition of membership of the forum, everyone takes their turn on a rotational basis, worked on seniority.
this way everyone takes a bite of the s++t sandwich and experiences what its like/has the chance to do it if they want.

just a thought.


Run it by Sue, but I suspect she is happy enough the way it is.

There are many long time posters with <1000 posts who would probably make great mods. Having lots of previous history here does not necessarily make it easy as a mod, some people tend to take liberties based on that ongoing relationship.

Moderation based on seniority would likely make it an old boys club, and would reduce the chances of the mods sticking up for new posters for fear of what their friends think. In fact I seem to recall being accused of that too;)

iaink Aug 10th 2009 7:10 am

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Originally Posted by livermanl (Post 7830115)

There is nothing worse in my opinion than someone who provokes an issue then reports the reply...

We do read the whole thread before acting, and often do nothing or caution both sides.

As far as Im aware no one has ever been banned for a first offence, there is always a warning to behave first. I think I've banned two people in 8 months, Dont think CO has even banned that many. Talk of bans is thoroughly overblown here.

If people have been banned for getting into verbal conflict its because its a pattern of behaviour and failure to heed previous warnings, not a question of who said what to whom first.

livermanl Aug 10th 2009 7:12 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7830139)
We do read the whole thread before acting:ohmy:

As far as Im aware no one has ever been banned for a first offence, there is always a warning to behave first. I think I've banned two people in 8 months, Dont think CO has even banned that many. Talk of bans is thouroughly overblown here.

If people have been banned for getting into verbal conflict its because its a pattern of behaviour and failure to heed previous warnings, not a question of who said what to whom first.

If only you read my WHOLE post... I said rarely is it over one thread...typically it happens over numerous threads and this is why it is difficult to judge.

FlirtyKnickers Aug 10th 2009 7:15 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 7830071)

LOL...Thats fantastic!:rofl:

iaink Aug 10th 2009 7:18 am

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Originally Posted by livermanl (Post 7830148)
If only you read my WHOLE post... I said rarely is it over one thread...typically it happens over numerous threads and this is why it is difficult to judge.

And if you read my reply you would see that we dont ban people for one offence, they get at least one warning and ample opportunity to state their side of whatever is going on.

If they continue to act without head for the warning, then all bets are off. Its relatively easy to ignore people who wind you up here, or to take a break as butch seems to have done recently.

rae Aug 10th 2009 7:22 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7830126)
Run it by Sue, but I suspect she is happy enough the way it is.

There are many long time posters with <1000 posts who would probably make great mods. Having lots of previous history here does not necessarily make it easy as a mod, some people tend to take liberties based on that ongoing relationship.

Moderation based on seniority would likely make it an old boys club, and would reduce the chances of the mods sticking up for new posters for fear of what their friends think. In fact I seem to recall being accused of that too;)

not up to me. just a general thought, for those who may have had enough, mods and posters, they would know the torture would eventually come to an end.
with a yearly rotation no clique would be allowed to establish itself and the seniority thing would only be to get it started in the first few years really. tis the canadian way is it not!?

Butch Cassidy Aug 10th 2009 7:25 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7829382)

I asked for feedback over a week ago in a genuine attempt to get to the bottom of this, I got one negative message.[B] For all those who are apparently having a say on FB, If you have a problem, then at least have the common decency to bring it to us face to face (in private) I dont go on Facebook, nor do I intend to. If you want to talk to me, I'm easy enough to find[/B].

Quite:thumbsup:


Originally Posted by livermanl (Post 7829494)
CO YOU BELITTLE PEOPLE MORE THAN ANYONE ON BE not 100% true but certainly APPEARS to be true with reference to the Canada section

The reason why we have problems with you 2 is because you are nothing more than hypocrites.

I dont have a (real) problem with Iain (most of the time)


Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7829499)

As a mod we cant please all the people all the time, try pleasing all of the some of the time then?

I've asked for feedback in private, but few people bothers, and the large majority that do are positive and realise that we cant please everyone. I take the not inconsiderable amount of time to explain decisions if people ask, but frankly I now wonder if its worth it. If people have something to say I suggest they say it in private now or else stop with the whining. Any more threads regarding moderation WILL be deleted, enough is enough, this endless discussion has to come to end at some point.

Surely Iain you realise that the people that 'have a problem with you' will NOT bother to PM you because:
a) They feel you wont listen (rightly or wrongly)
or
b) They already have tried PMing you (and/or Sue et al) and basically been told to grow up or bog off



Originally Posted by livermanl (Post 7829973)
Again may I remind you that, this is why the maple leaf was created so we could talk crap and avoid the immigrants to other parts.

Well since The maple leaf was oestensabily started by Biiiink, who has previously been dissed on this thread whats the point??


Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7830052)
"Completely abusive" is another one of those subjective terms that needs a person to make a call. A joke or a remark at someones expense is OK, but Id rather stop well short of "complete" abuse.

Moderation by opinion poll, wouldnt that be something. Not particularly practical given the nature of the job and its ability to attract criticism. If half the population think you do too much and half think you do too little, then you are probably about right, but that gives you a popularity rating of 2, and they are probably both mods anyway:rolleyes:. The only person who has a say in who moderates is Sue, she after all is the one with most to lose or gain. I suspect that when mods go its either a falling out with her, or deciding that they dont have the time to devote to it. No one becomes a mod to improve their popularity, that much is clear.

LOL, As far as not having carte blanche goes, Several times Ive found myself holding back on posting what I really think about certain members simply because its not worth the trouble it would be to clean up the thread afterwards.

I can understand why people would be reticent to post their opinions one way or other in this thread, but I have invited discussion in private and not one person on the side has taken up that offer, so what am I supposed to think other than its just half a dozen noisy malcontents who have been the ones most affected by the more active moderation.

See mjy previous comments


Originally Posted by rae (Post 7830110)
hhheeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyy, ban just this minute ended mate, ha ha ha ha

I emailed you


Originally Posted by livermanl (Post 7830115)
There is nothing worse in my opinion than someone who provokes an issue then reports the reply...

Oh there is............................
an antagonistic mod who doesnt apply the rules fairly

FlirtyKnickers Aug 10th 2009 7:26 am

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Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 7830036)
I will try to find where Farty is hiding and bring her in for a chat:thumbup:


Originally Posted by Oink (Post 7830045)
:rofl:


You two are on my naughty list!:frown:

iaink Aug 10th 2009 7:35 am

Re: Oh So Quiet.......
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 7830181)
an antagonistic mod who doesnt apply the rules fairly

I get CCd on everthing the other mods do, and there has not been one occasion where you have been treated any differently than if I had been first on the scene, so that seems a bit out of order to me.

Butch Cassidy Aug 10th 2009 7:37 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7830208)
I get CCd on everthing the other mods do, and there has not been one occasion where you have been treated any differently than if I had been first on the scene, so that seems a bit out of order to me.

Apologies if you misinterpreted that section of my post Iain, I was not refering to my own treatment by any mod.

dollface Aug 10th 2009 8:15 am

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Originally Posted by FlirtyKnickers (Post 7830184)
You two are on my naughty list!:frown:

Not another two????:rolleyes:

Jerseygirl Aug 10th 2009 8:19 am

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Originally Posted by dollface (Post 7830317)
Not another two????:rolleyes:

I wish I was on someone's naughty list.:cry_smile:

Butch Cassidy Aug 10th 2009 8:20 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 7830330)
I wish I was on someone's naughty list.:cry_smile:

Your wish is granted

dazzlerdaz Aug 10th 2009 8:26 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7829382)


If you have a problem, then at least have the common decency to bring it to us face to face (in private)

You have mail !

Alan2005 Aug 10th 2009 8:29 am

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Originally Posted by rae (Post 7830119)
but this what we all do iain and it is even more expected of the mods because of the position, its a given, not something to be applauded. so when its abused it gets peoples backs up.
[F]do as i say, not as i do. the worst, the abject worst thing ever.[/FONT]

The abject worst thing ever eh?

Jerseygirl Aug 10th 2009 8:29 am

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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 7830333)
Your wish is granted


You can have one of my very best smilies for that.
http://www.smileyshut.com/smileys/ne...-and-angel.gif

Butch Cassidy Aug 10th 2009 8:30 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 7830368)
You can have one of my very best smilies for that.
http://www.smileyshut.com/smileys/ne...-and-angel.gif

Do you really look like that?????




cos if you do I am REALLY scared now

dollface Aug 10th 2009 8:39 am

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Originally Posted by dazzlerdaz (Post 7830355)
You have mail !

Welcome home darling!!!!!!!!:wub:

Jerseygirl Aug 10th 2009 8:40 am

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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 7830371)
Do you really look like that?????




cos if you do I am REALLY scared now

Of course...but my hair is a little shorter.

dollface Aug 10th 2009 8:40 am

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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 7830371)
Do you really look like that?????




cos if you do I am REALLY scared now


You hope................blimey, I wish I looked like that!;)

FlirtyKnickers Aug 10th 2009 8:46 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 7830330)
I wish I was on someone's naughty list.:cry_smile:

I'm sure you are, but for very different reasons hun..;)

FlirtyKnickers Aug 10th 2009 8:48 am

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Originally Posted by dazzlerdaz (Post 7830355)
You have mail !

I want mail....I take the kids to the Giants Causeway and to the beach....come back and I've had a name change not to mention anything else....What the hell have you lot done to my lovely thread!???:p

Welcome back sweetheart;)

Jerseygirl Aug 10th 2009 8:53 am

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Originally Posted by FlirtyKnickers (Post 7830412)
I'm sure you, are but for very different reasons hun..;)

Oy you...stop trying to muscle in on the naughty lists. :frown:

FlirtyKnickers Aug 10th 2009 8:56 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 7830429)
Oy you...stop trying to muscle in on the naughty lists. :frown:

Listen up missy, you're a long way from home....they don't play nice here like they do in the Lounge!:p:rofl:

meauxna Aug 10th 2009 9:06 am

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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 7830333)
Your wish is granted

Oh man, you guys should start up this game, it was so fun to read: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=622009

I wish I wasn't so not good at it though.

iaink Aug 10th 2009 9:08 am

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Originally Posted by dazzlerdaz (Post 7830355)
You have mail !

So I do.

Maybe its time to close this thread before anyone gets caught in the crossfire like in BC's poll thread...

FlirtyKnickers Aug 10th 2009 9:12 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7830470)
So I do.

Maybe its time to close this thread before anyone gets caught in the crossfire like in BC's poll thread...


Boo Hiss......:rofl:

Jerseygirl Aug 10th 2009 9:12 am

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Originally Posted by FlirtyKnickers (Post 7830438)
Listen up missy, you're a long way from home....they don't play nice here like they do in the Lounge!:p:rofl:

I know that's why I'm here. Now who else has a naughty list and what do I have to do to get on it?

dollface Aug 10th 2009 9:13 am

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Originally Posted by FlirtyKnickers (Post 7830477)
Boo Hiss......:rofl:

Hiss Boo!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol: or maybe just Boooooooooooooo:frown:

livermanl Aug 10th 2009 9:13 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 7830470)
So I do.

Maybe its time to close this thread before anyone gets caught in the crossfire like in BC's poll thread...

Who changed your mind?

dollface Aug 10th 2009 9:14 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 7830479)
I know that's why I'm here. Now who else has a naughty list and what do I have to do to get on it?


I have one, but you're the wrong gender for mine................;)

Alan2005 Aug 10th 2009 9:15 am

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Originally Posted by meauxna (Post 7830462)
Oh man, you guys should start up this game, it was so fun to read: http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=622009

I wish I wasn't so not good at it though.

I wish the forum was full of idiots....

livermanl Aug 10th 2009 9:16 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 7830488)
I wish the forum was full of idiots....

but now your not original???

FlirtyKnickers Aug 10th 2009 9:16 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 7830479)
I know that's why I'm here. Now who else has a naughty list and what do I have to do to get on it?

If I told you i'd have to kill you...and I like you so that would be a pity!;)

dollface Aug 10th 2009 9:17 am

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Originally Posted by livermanl (Post 7830483)
Who changed your mind?


He gets by with a little help from his friends..................:rofl:


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