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Oink Nov 21st 2011 3:07 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9745880)
Are corporations allowed to vote, or are you arguing that members of the electorate are so stupid that they don't realise the world is run for the benefit of corporations and not for their benefit?

No, I was simply trying to answer the question of whether I believe that from the Occupy movement there will manifest an opportunity for substantive political change. Don't try and twist the meaning of my post to fill a sophomoric need for conflict.

Almost Canadian Nov 21st 2011 3:13 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 9745938)
No, I was simply trying to answer the question of whether I believe that from the Occupy movement there will manifest an opportunity for substantive political change. Don't try and twist the meaning of my post to fill a sophomoric need for conflict.

I wasn't trying to twist anything. I simply cannot understand how corporations can be the "ruling power" as you described them, without an ability to vote. I guess that is the end of that debate.

Alan2005 Nov 21st 2011 3:15 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9745953)
I wasn't trying to twist anything. I simply cannot understand how corporations can be the "ruling power" as you described them, without an ability to vote. I guess that it the end of that debate.

It's not all corporations - it's some corporations. And they don't need to vote when they can purchase.

Oink Nov 21st 2011 3:19 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9745953)
I wasn't trying to twist anything. I simply cannot understand how corporations can be the "ruling power" as you described them, without an ability to vote. I guess that is the end of that debate.

It'll depend on your definition and operationalization of the concept, power.

Almost Canadian Nov 21st 2011 3:31 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9745959)
It's not all corporations - it's some corporations. And they don't need to vote when they can purchase.

I understand that they can purchase power, but I don't understand why the electorate don't vote out the politicians that they believe are bought by corporations and vote in those they believe will represent the "man on the street". Until that happens, nothing will change until heads are on sticks.

Alan2005 Nov 21st 2011 4:03 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9746006)
I understand that they can purchase power, but I don't understand why the electorate don't vote out the politicians that they believe are bought by corporations and vote in those they believe will represent the "man on the street". Until that happens, nothing will change until heads are on sticks.

Because most people don't care that their politicians are bought until it affects them.

ultrarunner Nov 21st 2011 4:12 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9746006)
I understand that they can purchase power, but I don't understand why the electorate don't vote out the politicians that they believe are bought by corporations and vote in those they believe will represent the "man on the street". Until that happens, nothing will change until heads are on sticks.


"Man on the street" you say? Vancouver plans to do something about it

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vis...798/story.html

JamesM Nov 21st 2011 4:23 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9745880)
Are corporations allowed to vote, or are you arguing that members of the electorate are so stupid that they don't realise the world is run for the benefit of corporations and not for their benefit?

Apparently in some circumstances Corporations are allowed to vote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...=FBCNETTXT9038

Almost Canadian Nov 21st 2011 5:03 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9746063)
Because most people don't care that their politicians are bought until it affects them.

And therein lies the problem;)

Almost Canadian Nov 21st 2011 5:03 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9746116)
Apparently in some circumstances Corporations are allowed to vote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...=FBCNETTXT9038

Thank you for that. I had no idea such an anomoly existed.

JamesM Nov 21st 2011 5:08 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9746231)
Thank you for that. I had no idea such an anomoly existed.

I had no idea either. I actually read this a month ago and the last few posts jogged my memory.

I can't imagine many Briton's know about this.

Alan2005 Nov 21st 2011 5:13 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9746227)
And therein lies the problem;)

Sure. But therein lies the solution too.

Jingsamichty Nov 21st 2011 5:14 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 9746116)
Apparently in some circumstances Corporations are allowed to vote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...=FBCNETTXT9038

Good article, thanks. :sunglasses:

Almost Canadian Nov 21st 2011 5:20 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 9746240)
Sure. But therein lies the solution too.

If they can be bothered:p

Alan2005 Nov 21st 2011 5:23 am

Re: The Occupy Uprising....
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 9746252)
If they can be bothered:p

More of a "when", but yes - ultimately that's it. OWS people can be bothered, but most people are like boiled frogs and don't care until it's too late.


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