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Noted this little snippet and thought back to a recent tipping thread.

This one is where the guy didn't leave a cash tip but some advise for a tip instead.

I'm sure he won't be going back unless he likes spit in his food.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/trend...154219798.html

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I wish I had the brass neck to do something like that (although I would have spelled lose correctly). However, because I try to behave within accepted norms I give tips even when they probably aren't deserved. Stupid really, but I like to avoid confrontation or attention.

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I once offered the waitress the choice of a 10% tip or the cash contents of my wallet.

She took the 10% tip and lost out on an extra $50. I try not to tip when drunk these days cos my wife would kill me.

**Completely off topic, have you played Rage yet? It's aces!!

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You too. :o

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I'm waiting for it to be delivered - hopefully it will arrive today. Currently playing crysis (the first one - $20 on psn).

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Nice. You're in for a treat. Well, i'm easily pleased anyway.

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Being a tight-arsed Brit, I believe people get a tip when they deserve one. If the service was better than average or if, as a customer, you've been hard work, fine, no problem tipping. People get paid for the job they do. If the wages are low, join a union or get another job. Tipping has soooo been taken out of context - it is now a reflection on the customer not the employee.

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I disagree. A standard tip for standard service is part of the cost of the meal.

Sure, they could increase the prices and pay the staff more but they don't. By not tipping you are expecting the workers in the restaurant to provide you with good food and and enjoyable experience on minimum wage. I am not comfortable with that.

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I agree, but not with the comment left.

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Yeah - looking forward to it. I pre-ordered ages ago, but it still arrives up to a week after release with amazon. Roll on the day it's all digital download.

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I agree - in that it's the way it works, and unless you can stop everyone tipping it won't change so why bother. However, you can't argue with this:

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I don't usually mind tipping because I rarely go anywhere where the service is poor. The opening scene of Reservoir Dogs where they're discussing tipping still cracks me up after all these years.

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Separated from the rest of AishaA's post I have to admit this is true to a large extent.

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Like it or not, tipping is customary here.
The choice to tip or not is yours, but please keep in mind that they probably remember frequent non-tippers.

I do agree that it's kinda getting out of hand, but unfortunately it is what it is.

One receipt I saw recently said:
"15% if you think the service was OK
20% if you think the service was excellent
50% and we'll marry you"

The mere suggestion of a 50% tip made my jaw drop. I generally tip 15% if the service is normal or better. I usually prefer to leave a fixed amount eg/ $15 if the meal was around the $100 mark. This can often be more or less than 15%, but it's near enough.
If the service was poor, I might not tip at all. Sometimes, people confuse poor food with poor service. I dont think it's fair to penalise the server if the food was crap.

We had friends who never tipped at all- including food delivery. I thought it was pretty naiive really, but their argument "I dont get a tip at work, so why should they". Whatever, but I'd rather pay a tip and have peace of mind that my food is left untouched and delivered as soon as it's ready.

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I ordered a couple pizzas last night and had them delivered to a boat. The delivery lad negotiated a rather strange dock in the dark and actually found the boat and it only took 30 mins from the time of ordering. So did I give him a large tip, plus I was a bit pissed.

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So do we tip to supplement poor wages? It seems unfair that factory workers and refuse collectors don't get this perk. Aren't fair wages a human right we try to protect (hence the legislated minimum wage)? How does tipping help? Or do we tip to reward good service? I'm confused :blink:

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So did you ?

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I think you can compare it to a salesperson. They are paid a low basic wage and earn commission on everything they sell. The more they sell the more they earn.

In a restaurant the staff are paid minimum wage and earn tips. The better time the customers have the more likely they are to tip and the more likely they are to come back and tip again.

The customer tops up the salesperson's wages but does not see it because the commission is built into the selling price. In a restaurant it is not and the whole thing is more transparent.

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Yes.

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So...

It is the accepted norm that, if you don't tip, you deserve to have someone else's bodily fluid mixed into your food?:unsure:

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I concur....and the morons that took it upon themselves to bombard everyone with that name that has a facebook account :rolleyes:

A tip should not be a given......do people tip bag packers in grocery stores, beer stores, your postal folk, cable person, gabbage folks or even people that do your oil change? Why is a restaurant any different?

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Because it is. And if you worry about it then you are a cheap bastard.

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It doesn't matter why it's different. A potential customer knows that it's different, knows that the staff depend on the tip, knows that tipping is an obligation and would be a shit to eat and not tip.

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Maybe you all just tip because you're scared - From what you've told me, it sounds like bribery/blackmail.

Do you tip the guy at Tims? Do you tip the guy at McDonalds? Or is there some kind of snobby heirarchy where you only tip at "proper" restaurants? Isn't that social discrimination?

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we tip based on the amount of mess our child has made :)

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I don't go to "Tim's". I don't go to McDonalds. If they have table service one is obliged to tip, "proper restaurant" or not. That's how it's done in North America.

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No, because they don't wait on you. Neither are they restaurants. The use of the word "proper" is redundant here.

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Or anywhere that service is not included. I always tipped in the UK the same as I do here, though I note that many places tend to add 12.5%, presumably to deal with the cheapskates who would otherwise leave a pound coin.

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I see that, once again, rather than accept that someone may have a different opinion to you, you resort to name calling.

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Is not tipping in the same league as choosing to fly Air Transhat or Thomas C*%t Airways?

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Possibly, though not tipping is likely to lead to more jizz in your food if you eat out a lot.

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I seem to remember a previous debate on this some weeks ago.

I did find it mildly cheeky when you and I were at St.Louis that evening and their machine had the option of 25% or other amount.

As a rule of thumb I work to the 10% average service and 15% good service. Depending on the rounding they might get slighly more or less.

Most of the bars I attend they look after me well with extra drinks etc..........

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This is probably going to offend some...and its a bit risky posting it. but i find it hillarious.

i work in a restaurant...in london. obviously tipping isnt a major culture here but people still know they should and english people pretty much always do. but being also in central london i too, also get some scummy ghetto horrific to deal with people as well as certain europeans that never tip.


http://www.igotstiffed.com/117/big-fat-ghetto-bitches/

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Here we are:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...ht=tip+servers

Quite a good read. Poor Gremmie get's a hard time!

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God, that was much more than a sane person would bother reading.

But back on track: it is the case that tipping for table service is usually 15% (or 10% if you're pissed off) in Canada,

I much prefer the system in (e.g.) France, where service compris is the norm (these days),

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I just much prefer France.

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Or maybe we tip because we are nice people and we want that person to be able to afford school, rent, groceries etc......

From what you've told me calling yourself a tight arsed Brit is flattering.

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it does make it easier. but its crap for the server because the restaurant usually takes most of it.

but its good in cases like london where you get your french, spanish, and italians who notoriously do not tip so at least youre getting something.

a certain big restaurant chain that has a restaurant in central london that a friend works at said they charge 12.5% on every bill and the server keeps 50% of that service charge on what their sales were. so tbh, £1500-2000 sales on a busy saturday night....id be happy with only half of that service charge compared to the amount of said french, spanish, italian...and of course not forgetting the 'big fat ghetto bitches' that i have to serve that dont tip.

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Agreed . Much simpler.

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Good job he didn't work for the company that said they'd marry you f you give a big tip!