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Pierre Poilievre campaign slogan - Next Stop, Oblivion.

He was in this part of the world over the weekend and I got to hear some of him on CBC radio. My god he sounds just like Trump.

No great surprise really, given the support of Sandy Hook conspiracist Alex Jones.

I know Trudeau's 'niceness' gets a bit wearing but be careful what you wish for.

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I doubt Trudeau will be able to make history but I accept I may be wrong.

I have to admit that I love the way that Poilievre deals with "journalists."

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As in avoids questions and scrutiny?

I think he's a loathsome little turd. I mean Trudeau is objectively terrible as well but my goodness Pollievre is nasty.

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I was appalled by how bad the political TV journalism was in Canada when I first arrived. There didn't seem to be any real probing of whatever politician was saying and they seemed to offer little more than a microphone for the politician to say whatever they wanted to say. Nothing much has changed in the time that I have been here.

I don't need my representative to be likeable (although that would be a bonus) I need them to be competent. I don't see much evidence of that anywhere in Canada.

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In my early years here I was surprised to see the attack ads on TV. I rather expected something more in line with the Party Political Broadcasts on behalf of... all nice and polite. :lol:

And then in New Brunswick the Liberals and Conservatives seemed to be the opposite of what I expected with the Liberals proposing to sell of NB Power to Quebec and being in favour of Ambulance fees while the Conservatives were abolishing them. :confused:
What I expected was soon restored. I thought the Conservative Premier, Higgs, did really well back in 2020 but all downhill since.

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It is confusing how Liberals in provinces are often more right leaning, like the BC Liberals were (now BC United). The current BC NDP government is more moderate and centre-left which you would expect of a liberal government. It sort of depressingly shows how since the 80s everything has shifted to the neoliberal right overall.

Also reminds me how the conservative solution to climate change was to introduce a carbon tax as introduced here by the right-leaning BC Liberals. The idea is instead of heavy and complicated bespoke regulation across industries, let the market handle it, with the federal version (and the updated BC version) giving a rebate back to low income earners. But now conservatives are against the carbon tax too apparently, Poilievre repeatedly misrepresents it.

I didn't mind Poilievre at the beginning, with him being 100% right with his position on the housing crisis, but he is incredibly slimy and dishonest and I absolutely would never vote for him. Also to give credit to the Liberals and the BC NDP, they have responded well to try and get more housing built. I don't think it will be enough to save the liberals at the next election though, and Trudeau is disliked as a leader, even though he's not really responsible for any of this as the liberals operate government in a very technocratic way.

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What was his position on housing that was 100% right?

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That we need to build more and that bureaucracy, over-regulation and other factors have created a supply shortage.

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How does Poilievre sound like Trump exactly?

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The delivery style. A little bit game show host.
Like "What about that person/policy/idea then" (in the tone of a question)...and immediately something to ridicule them or it so there's no room for the idea to be considered, just that it's ridiculous and not even worth thinking about.

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I have to admit that I really, really, don't understand the Federal Government's policy on the carbon tax issue.

If it is designed to motivate people to change their habits, how does that work if "...more than 80%..." of Canadians receive more in rebates than they pay in tax?

I get the argument that, if you have two options: one that pollutes more and one that pollutes less, making the one that pollutes more more expensive may motivate people to use the less polluting one. However, people can't choose choose how they heat their homes in most parts of Canada.

I would like to hear how the various governments are going to recover the funds lost from the tax paid on vehicle gas when everyone is forced to switch to electric

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Thank you. I was worried I had missed something.

A bit of history. When the Liberals won power in 1993 they faced a huge deficit left by the Mulroney government. One of the actions the Chretien/Martin government took to help with eliminating this was to get the Federal Government out of housing. They thought the private sector could adequately supply the housing that Canada needs. It might have been a good policy then, but 30 years later has proved to be very wrong.

The private sector is motivated by money. There is money to be made in building high-end houses and condos. There is very little money to be made in building housing that lower income people can afford. Add to that, there is very little money to be made operating rental apartments for low income tenants. For housing, the free market does not deliver. It needs government intervention to create the housing the country needs.

I can easily think of two ways the government could get involved:

a) underwrite the capital needed to create housing for moderate and low income people. Bank financing for construction is beset by restrictions and regulations, and is expensive. Secure finance at moderate interest rates could make marginally profitable construction projects viable.
b) introduce refundable tax credits for construction of moderately priced homes. Similar to the Scientific Research and Experimental Development tax credits. These have been effective in stimulating investment in business, and I think could be equally effective in construction by providing a return on otherwise unprofitable ventures.

And, of course, we need more tradesmen/women.

Agreed we need to build more housing. No s**t ! Bureaucracy, over-regulation? Maybe, but it is minor in the scheme of things. "Other?" Well, yes. But the other is more government involvement which does not sit well with Tory ideology and has not been suggested by Poilievre as far as I know. It seems to me to be campaigning by soundbite (which he is good at) rather than serious government.

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We are in alignment!

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I have to confess I was not expecting a reasonable answer. So many stupid people attach the "Trump" label to anyone who happens to be conservative.... but he is, of course, only the second tier after good old Adolf.

It has to be said, all three of the party leaders are pretty abysmal. I have no idea what Jagmeet Singh actually stands for. He seems to live in a parallel reality and is politically inept. Those dental care and pharmacare programs will be claimed by the liberals. Did he not observe what happened to the LibDems post coalition?

Trudeau is corrupt, incompetent and a failure by his own standards. And if you want to critique someone's presentation style, I give you Trudeau and Freeland. Trudeau can't even engage with a question on the same basis it is asked. I used to enjoy Freeland's articles when she was at the likes of Reuters - can't believe that condescending, high pitched screech you hear in the House is from the same woman.

Poilievre, despite some cringy performances like you reference, at least seems to have some contact with the reality facing the public. At this stage, he does I guess just need to keep banging those basic messages but, at some point, he will have to put some detail out there. It will be interesting to see if he does. I might even vote for him if it seems reasonable.

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Do you have specific examples of Trudeau's corruption, something like Mulrooney and Airbus or Chretien and his golf courses?

I see no point of contact between Poilievre and reality.. He's had a sheltered life and now consorts with fringe characters. He's not a politician one would ask to guess the price of bread and milk but to guess what bread and milk are used for.

He also seems short, not so much Trumpist as Trumpette.

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:lol:
The ums and ers don't sound great but he is very convincing at sincere apologies. ;)

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Here is a good explanation of the Canadian political system:

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I think Trump sounds more like a bad stand-up comedian. In a pub/working mens club. That sort.

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Anyone still want to vote for the Diagolon candidate?

Poilievre visits convoy camp

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To be fair Trudeau just dismissing citizens with concerns as extremists and conspiracy theorists doesn’t exactly help. It may be true that there is an element of that, but thats not how you deal with it, and overall Trudeau has been appalling in his management of discontent.

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When you say Trudeau you also mean US Department of State's Bureau of Counterterrorism, the RCMP, Canada's House of Commons.

An element? Try MacKenzie's wiki page and a few other pieces.

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I thought he met with anti carbon tax protesters, I didn’t know it was a specific hate group, my fault for not looking closer first.

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He did, while travelling. The clip doesn't show that he knew anything of the symbol that was written on the inside of a door.

If this is the best Trudeau has to offer, he is toast at the next election.

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I think you're right, Troudeau will be toast.
But it's either worrying that PP continues to associate with these types and is admired by Alex Jones without any attempt at dissociating himself, or doesn't care, or isn't receiving better advice from people who should know about these things even if he doesn't.

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Justin, I am going to report you to the moderators for taking over this person's account.

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Poilievre and his party have well and truly entered the world of Trump politics.

Canada: bitter clash in parliament over Trudeau ‘wacko’ jibe
Trying to claim use of words like wacko and extremist in the House as normal "doing his job" behaviour. :rolleyes:

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Is that the best they can come up with? Pretty sure sock boy used the word extremist and spineless in his comebacks. I am certainly not defending PP and I think the shine has dulled on the trust boy who is part of the Gatineau elite. Canadian politics is somewhat dull and let's face it most developed countries are in a bit of a mess and surprise surprise uncontrolled Immigration is usually one of the most talked about problems. Meanwhile us normal folk just get on with life knowing that our thoughts on certain subject are dismissed as you know these politicians of all stripes know what is best for the country except when you have referendums :rofl:

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You're going to have to do better than that. This was in the House and directed at an honourable member.

A google shows Trudeau has described extremists as extremists outside the House and/or collectives of unnamed. That's very different.

And other tories are attempting to normalise that level of House behaviour.

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Poilievre withdrew "wacko" and changed it to "radical", but the speaker seemed to want to make an example out of him and refused to accept a change and wanted a complete withdrawal. Kind of a strange incident. I agree that it wasn't appropriate language but I think it was poorly handled. Also Trudeau referring to Poilievre as having spineless leadership should have also been reprimanded as that's a hair away from name calling, but the speaker let that one slide.

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There was no withdrawal. Every time, he refused to withdraw, deliberately saying replace instead. He wasn't going to budge. Not only unparliamentary language but unparliamentary behaviour too.

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He did withdraw and then immediately replaced. Of course, had Trudeau actually answered the questions he was being asked, I doubt very much that there would have been an issue.

The next day, PP simply asked and, once again, Trudeau tried to resort to the tactics of the previous day.

Lots of political commentators that, in no way, could be described as being biased towards PP, stated that the Speaker showed bias and shone the light on his conduct, rather than PP's. Oh, and we won't mention that an NDP MP used the exact same language previously and was not removed.

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That's pathetic.
If you heard or read the words used you will know that it was the refusal to withdraw that was the problem.
CBC and other media outlets-In the House and repeatedly asked to withdraw and repeatedly refusing to do so?
It appears not, from googling.

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I suggest you review the excerpt from YouTube below. I know it won't cause you to change your mind, but he did "withdraw and replace" as I alluded to above. I can't imagine for one minute that Mulcair stated what he did because he is biased towards PP.

Around 40 seconds in. Storm in a teacup.

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Well I already heard it previously.
"Mr Speaker, I replace 'wacko' with extremist."
Again he is asked to withdraw it and this time he says he will replace it with radical.
The speaker says he is not asking for him to replace but to "simply withdraw" and he then says he will simply withdraw and replace. It's a continuous description. There is an 'and' there meaning it's not the simple act requested.
Why is that so difficult to understand? He's been asked to withdraw twice and also to simply withdraw. That means nothing else. Just withdraw. No addition, no condition, no explanation, just withdraw it.

And in not backing down he has repeated what the speaker found unacceptable on each of the previous occasions.

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OK. Does that make you feel better?

I still believe that Trudeau came out of this with more egg on his face than PP. I still believe that the Speaker's actions were worse than both of theirs. For the avoidance of any doubt, the last two sentences are opinions and I am not asking you to agree with them.

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The lot of them are juveniles. Name calling is pathetic behaviour.

And, once again, Jagmeet Singh, now supporting the budget after his performative time to consider it, begs the question: what are he and his party for?

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I was pretty appalled by Pierre Poilievre’s response to the assassination attempt.

Conservatives always want penalty by death. It’s not enough to capture the suspect, they take glee in them being murdered in retribution. It’s sad this person is likely to be our next prime minister.

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Not to mention it's a suspect shot dead which is not necessarily the guilty party.
I mean just suppose there's one of those "good guys with a gun" who sees what he thinks is a bad guy with a gun (and who might actually be a good guy with a gun seeing another guy who he thinks is bad guy with a gun) and in trying to neutralise the bad guy with a gun, gets mistaken for a bad guy with a gun by police or security detail and they shoot him, the good guy with a gun.

The real bad guy gets away in the mayhem and the good guy is dead and assumed to be the shooter.