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Old Jul 7th 2011 | 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by JamesM
I see a difference.

Celebrities make their money out of being in the spotlight where as grieving families don't have a choice.
Sorry, don't buy that at all. I don't know of any celebrity (except Jordan and the like) that states, "I will take this money on the strict understanding that everything I do in life can be justifiably placed before the public."

Do you believe you are entitled to know what goes on in the privacy of their bedrooms? If so, why, if not, why not?

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I also think Jo Public has a right to know what the Royal's are getting upto at their expense.
Do you believe the taxpayers also have an entitlement to know what everyone on welfare is doing in their private life as well? If so, why, if not, why not? What about those employed by the Civil Service?

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However telephone conversations are between two people and should be kept that way unless under criminal investigation. Simillar to email and text.
But only if they are not celebrities or members of the Royal Family, correct?

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The phone hacking has gone to far when you are hacking into a phone of a missing person and deleting their message's giving people hope that they are still out there.
 
Old Jul 7th 2011 | 5:28 pm
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Sorry, don't buy that at all. I don't know of any celebrity (except Jordan and the like) that states, "I will take this money on the strict understanding that everything I do in life can be justifiably placed before the public."

It come's with the turf of being famous. All jobs have hazards You contradict yourself clearly in the middle part.Do you believe you are entitled to know what goes on in the privacy of their bedrooms? If so, why, if not, why not?

Personally I don't care. But knowing the spotlight can fall on them why do they act so foolishly.
Do you believe the taxpayers also have an entitlement to know what everyone on welfare is doing in their private life as well? If so, why, if not, why not? What about those employed by the Civil Service?

Taxpayers don't care what people on welfare are doing as they are not flying round the world and turning up at prestigious expensive events dressed in expensive clothing and looking to have pictures taken of them.
Civil servants serve civilians again myself and most people have no interest.
But only if they are not celebrities or members of the Royal Family, correct?
I don't get the last question I think you have a typo.
 
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News Of The World (more commonly referred to as the 'News Of The Screws') had it's uses in the days when us 'prols' had to put up with outside toilets. Made passable bum wipe in the absence of anything more readable before indulging in the final operation. Good bloody riddance I say...pity it didn't take the rest of the tabloids with it....no tears here at all. As to it's popularity...a sad indictment on the intellect/required stimulation of the UK's Mr average Joe Public.

As has been stated, won't be long before it's replaced with something equally shite!

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Old Jul 8th 2011 | 1:45 am
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Originally Posted by JamesM
I don't get the last question I think you have a typo.
I do not understand your argument at all. It is possible to be famous without courting fame (Kate Bush, Steve Davis, David Attenborough, etc.) Even if fame is sought, I fail to see why that entitles you to know everything about their personal lives.

As has been mentioned previous times on this forum, members of the Royal Family do not get to choose being a member. Your argument appears to be that they are "paid" by the public, so the public has a right to know. You then go on to say that you have no interest in what civil servants get up to. So it would appear that what you are actually saying is: I should be entitled to know everything about those I wish to. That seems a bit neanderthal to me.

The suggestion that taxpayers don't care what those on welfare are up to also appears to ignore the hysteria in the media about "welfare cheats", "benefit scroungers" and "healthcare tourists" Again, what you appear to be saying is: I don't want to know about it.

Then again, maybe you are just interested in those that have more money than you.
 
Old Jul 8th 2011 | 2:40 am
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I do not understand your argument at all. It is possible to be famous without courting fame (Kate Bush, Steve Davis, David Attenborough, etc.) Even if fame is sought, I fail to see why that entitles you to know everything about their personal lives.

It's the audience who pays them. As I said before I don't think most people are that interested in everything but the job hazard is camera's are going to follow you to make news because it sells

As has been mentioned previous times on this forum, members of the Royal Family do not get to choose being a member. Your argument appears to be that they are "paid" by the public, so the public has a right to know. You then go on to say that you have no interest in what civil servants get up to. So it would appear that what you are actually saying is: I should be entitled to know everything about those I wish to. That seems a bit neanderthal to me.

I've never once heard the Royals come and say they have had enough they want to leave. The reality is they know it's a good wicket and lifestyle so they won't. They do have a choice

Civil Servants are performing jobs that need to be performed in the main- like we all do in our daily lives.

The suggestion that taxpayers don't care what those on welfare are up to also appears to ignore the hysteria in the media about "welfare cheats", "benefit scroungers" and "healthcare tourists" Again, what you appear to be saying is: I don't want to know about it.

Some taxpayers do care what people on welfare are upto and that's why the tabloids do so well. I personally am not bothered. It's not an arguement I just have no real interest in it. Should my tax increase dramatically as a direct result this might change.

Then again, maybe you are just interested in those that have more money than you.
Again that's what sells the Newspapers. Any one who trades of their own name be it a snooker player, musician or who ever attracts this attention directly or indirectly as mentioned the press attention is the job hazard that goes with the big money.

By the way police have just raided The Daily Star apparently....
 
Old Jul 8th 2011 | 3:01 am
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I read in Michael Caines biography that when "The People" found out that he had a half brother locked up in a mental institute in Essex, rather than just go ahead and write a piece on it the reporter called him to ask him about it.


It turned out that MC had no idea at all about his existence, his mother had had an illegitimate child, who was severely autistic and self harming. She kept it secret from her husband and family her whole life, it only came out after her death, by chance.

However, what could have been a nasty hatchet job, painting a famous actor as cold and heartless, became a different piece altogether about the pressure on single mums in the past and on the care in the community policies of the time.

So I guess Im saying not all tabloids/ journalists are necessarily evil. In this case the paper found out something purely by chance (writing a piece on "care in the community"), and gave the people involved a fair chance to respond.
 
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Make sure you all get your last copy on Sunday, might be worth somethin' in the future
 
Old Jul 8th 2011 | 3:20 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
As has been mentioned previous times on this forum, members of the Royal Family do not get to choose being a member. Your argument appears to be that they are "paid" by the public, so the public has a right to know. You then go on to say that you have no interest in what civil servants get up to. So it would appear that what you are actually saying is: I should be entitled to know everything about those I wish to. That seems a bit neanderthal to me.
When you say the "Royals" are paid by the public I think you missed out the word "well" and "exceedingly" and a few other words like "cosseted" "glamourised" "receiving the best" etc as compared to civil servants simply getting a wage for mostly humdrum stuff of interest to nobody.

I think that's quite a difference and explains the corresponding difference in attitudes.

The suggestion that taxpayers don't care what those on welfare are up to also appears to ignore the hysteria in the media about "welfare cheats", "benefit scroungers" and "healthcare tourists"
Perhaps you've not noticed that hysteria/interest is actually about what those people are doing - ie cheating the system. It has some relevance. It's not about whether they're gay, having sex with a prostitute, having an affair etc.
 
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
When you say the "Royals" are paid by the public I think you missed out the word "well" and "exceedingly" and a few other words like "cosseted" "glamourised" "receiving the best" etc as compared to civil servants simply getting a wage for mostly humdrum stuff of interest to nobody.

I think that's quite a difference and explains the corresponding difference in attitudes.
So it is about the money then

I really don't care who is being listened to, it is wrong.

I think you and the posters above have explained the hypocrisy of saying it is bad for some, good for others.
 
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So it is about the money then

I really don't care who is being listened to, it is wrong.

I think you and the posters above have explained the hypocrisy of saying it is bad for some, good for others.
Phone tapping and illegal activities are bad for anyone and shouldn't be condoned. No matter how famous.

On the other hand, being followed around by paparazzi, and having details of your private life published is part of being famous. Providing these details are found out using legal means then tough shit really.

Having said this, hacking jordans phone is somewhat less of a crime than hacking the parents of the kids murdered in soham. Yes it's still illegal, but it's the difference between pinching a mars bar from the local shop and robbing somebody of their life savings.

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Old Jul 8th 2011 | 5:54 am
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
When you say the "Royals" are paid by the public I think you missed out the word "well" and "exceedingly" and a few other words like "cosseted" "glamourised" "receiving the best" etc as compared to civil servants simply getting a wage for mostly humdrum stuff of interest to nobody.

I think that's quite a difference and explains the corresponding difference in attitudes.



Perhaps you've not noticed that hysteria/interest is actually about what those people are doing - ie cheating the system. It has some relevance. It's not about whether they're gay, having sex with a prostitute, having an affair etc.

Phew....This old debate of the royals being overpaid namby-pamby suckers? Well civil servants don't bring in the tourists and the revenues

If the story in the link below is anything to go by, then at least queenie realizes there is an austerity in the UK right now, and coats need to be cut according to size

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...s-pound-18m.do
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
Phone tapping and illegal activities are bad for anyone and shouldn't be condoned. No matter how famous.

On the other hand, being followed around by paparazzi, and having details of your private life published is part of being famous. Providing these details are found out using legal means then tough shit really
Unfortunately Almost Canadian does not understand this as he has pointed out many times.
 
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Phew....This old debate of the royals being overpaid namby-pamby suckers?
They are. Don't you believe in acquisition of wealth/status through work?
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
Phone tapping and illegal activities are bad for anyone and shouldn't be condoned. No matter how famous.

On the other hand, being followed around by paparazzi, and having details of your private life published is part of being famous. Providing these details are found out using legal means then tough shit really.

Having said this, hacking jordans phone is somewhat less of a crime than hacking the parents of the kids murdered in soham. Yes it's still illegal, but it's the difference between pinching a mars bar from the local shop and robbing somebody of their life savings.
Yes...but are we saying there is a fine line, or that all acts as mentioned above are just criminal? Looks like some serious action on this matter has started

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...be-arrested.do
 
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
So it is about the money then

I really don't care who is being listened to, it is wrong.

I think you and the posters above have explained the hypocrisy of saying it is bad for some, good for others.
I think everybody on here has said phone tapping is wrong as it's illegal.

There is clearly some disjoint between what people are saying and what your understanding.

Go figure..........
 


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