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Like it wont reappear as the Sun on Sunday in a short while anyway. Its just window dressing. Murdocks probably been looking for an excuse to streamline operations for a while. Doubt there will be many joblosses when all is said and done.
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I would like to know why this is good news. There was a demand for its content and now people are upset about it. Did those people express concerns when the Squidgygate tapes came out?
Those that read the paper are not without blame. Hypocrisy 101. This is not aimed at any of the above posters I just find the crocodile tears aspect of it nauseating. |
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I'd read the sun on sunday every now and then if I was in the UK.
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
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I would like to know why this is good news. There was a demand for its content and now people are upset about it.
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Child abduction cases reviewed.
Police officers investigating phone hacking by the News of the World are turning their attention to examine every high-profile case involving the murder, abduction or attack on any child since 2001 in response to the revelation that journalists from the tabloid newspaper hacked into the voicemail messages of the murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler.The move is a direct response to the Guardian's exclusive story on Monday that a private investigator working for the News International tabloid, Glenn Mulcaire, caused Milly's parents to wrongly believe she was still alive |
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Originally Posted by elfman
(Post 9481879)
Was there really a demand for NOTW journalists to violate the privacy of grieving military families and the relatives of murdered children? The public reaction to the latest revelations suggests not.
Are celebrities/members of the Royal Family not entitled to the same privacy as grieving military families and relatives of murdered children? Personally, I don't see the difference. Either we all are, or we all are not. I am not condoning what they did, it just reminds me of the allegations that the paparrazzi "killed" the Princess of Wales. |
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
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Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 9481837)
Like it wont reappear as the Sun on Sunday in a short while anyway. Its just window dressing. Murdocks probably been looking for an excuse to streamline operations for a while. Doubt there will be many joblosses when all is said and done.
Trying to draw a line under it and effectively just streamling and coming up with a way to increase profits. They should be prosecuting more people and hopefully they do. I feel sorry for the 100 or so staff but I hope this turns into a real kick in the balls for Murdoch's empire. |
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9481885)
The number of people that bought the paper would suggest otherwise.
Are celebrities/members of the Royal Family not entitled to the same privacy as grieving military families and relatives of murdered children? Personally, I don't see the difference. Either we all are, or we all are not. |
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Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 9481837)
Like it wont reappear as the Sun on Sunday in a short while anyway.
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9481885)
Are celebrities/members of the Royal Family not entitled to the same privacy as grieving military families and relatives of murdered children? Personally, I don't see the difference. Either we all are, or we all are not.
Celebrities make their money out of being in the spotlight where as grieving families don't have a choice. I also think Jo Public has a right to know what the Royal's are getting upto at their expense. However telephone conversations are between two people and should be kept that way unless under criminal investigation. Simillar to email and text. The phone hacking has gone to far when you are hacking into a phone of a missing person and deleting their message's giving people hope that they are still out there. |
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Originally Posted by elfman
(Post 9481897)
The NOTW's sizeable circulation is not really relevant - since the backlash and the boycott calls started the moment the allegations about the Milly Dowler and Soham families became known. It's pretty clear that the NOTW crossed a line: people do want to know which celebrities are screwing each other but they do not want ordinary members of the public who have suffered tragic events to be targeted, possibly because the average punter knows that he/she will never be member of the royal family or film star, but they could very possibly be the victim of tragedy and would not want to suffer the same distressing attention from the tabloids.
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David Cameron's damage limitation no doubt
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Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 9481901)
I see a difference.
Celebrities make their money out of being in the spotlight where as grieving families don't have a choice. Do you believe you are entitled to know what goes on in the privacy of their bedrooms? If so, why, if not, why not?
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 9481901)
I also think Jo Public has a right to know what the Royal's are getting upto at their expense.
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 9481901)
However telephone conversations are between two people and should be kept that way unless under criminal investigation. Simillar to email and text.
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 9481901)
The phone hacking has gone to far when you are hacking into a phone of a missing person and deleting their message's giving people hope that they are still out there.
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9482175)
Sorry, don't buy that at all. I don't know of any celebrity (except Jordan and the like) that states, "I will take this money on the strict understanding that everything I do in life can be justifiably placed before the public."
It come's with the turf of being famous. All jobs have hazards You contradict yourself clearly in the middle part.Do you believe you are entitled to know what goes on in the privacy of their bedrooms? If so, why, if not, why not? Personally I don't care. But knowing the spotlight can fall on them why do they act so foolishly. Do you believe the taxpayers also have an entitlement to know what everyone on welfare is doing in their private life as well? If so, why, if not, why not? What about those employed by the Civil Service? Taxpayers don't care what people on welfare are doing as they are not flying round the world and turning up at prestigious expensive events dressed in expensive clothing and looking to have pictures taken of them. Civil servants serve civilians again myself and most people have no interest. But only if they are not celebrities or members of the Royal Family, correct? |
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News Of The World (more commonly referred to as the 'News Of The Screws') had it's uses in the days when us 'prols' had to put up with outside toilets. Made passable bum wipe in the absence of anything more readable before indulging in the final operation. Good bloody riddance I say...pity it didn't take the rest of the tabloids with it....no tears here at all. As to it's popularity...a sad indictment on the intellect/required stimulation of the UK's Mr average Joe Public.
As has been stated, won't be long before it's replaced with something equally shite! |
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Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 9482532)
I don't get the last question I think you have a typo.
As has been mentioned previous times on this forum, members of the Royal Family do not get to choose being a member. Your argument appears to be that they are "paid" by the public, so the public has a right to know. You then go on to say that you have no interest in what civil servants get up to. So it would appear that what you are actually saying is: I should be entitled to know everything about those I wish to. That seems a bit neanderthal to me. The suggestion that taxpayers don't care what those on welfare are up to also appears to ignore the hysteria in the media about "welfare cheats", "benefit scroungers" and "healthcare tourists" Again, what you appear to be saying is: I don't want to know about it. Then again, maybe you are just interested in those that have more money than you. |
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9483152)
I do not understand your argument at all. It is possible to be famous without courting fame (Kate Bush, Steve Davis, David Attenborough, etc.) Even if fame is sought, I fail to see why that entitles you to know everything about their personal lives.
It's the audience who pays them. As I said before I don't think most people are that interested in everything but the job hazard is camera's are going to follow you to make news because it sells As has been mentioned previous times on this forum, members of the Royal Family do not get to choose being a member. Your argument appears to be that they are "paid" by the public, so the public has a right to know. You then go on to say that you have no interest in what civil servants get up to. So it would appear that what you are actually saying is: I should be entitled to know everything about those I wish to. That seems a bit neanderthal to me. I've never once heard the Royals come and say they have had enough they want to leave. The reality is they know it's a good wicket and lifestyle so they won't. They do have a choice Civil Servants are performing jobs that need to be performed in the main- like we all do in our daily lives. The suggestion that taxpayers don't care what those on welfare are up to also appears to ignore the hysteria in the media about "welfare cheats", "benefit scroungers" and "healthcare tourists" Again, what you appear to be saying is: I don't want to know about it. Some taxpayers do care what people on welfare are upto and that's why the tabloids do so well. I personally am not bothered. It's not an arguement I just have no real interest in it. Should my tax increase dramatically as a direct result this might change. Then again, maybe you are just interested in those that have more money than you. By the way police have just raided The Daily Star apparently.... |
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I read in Michael Caines biography that when "The People" found out that he had a half brother locked up in a mental institute in Essex, rather than just go ahead and write a piece on it the reporter called him to ask him about it.
It turned out that MC had no idea at all about his existence, his mother had had an illegitimate child, who was severely autistic and self harming. She kept it secret from her husband and family her whole life, it only came out after her death, by chance. However, what could have been a nasty hatchet job, painting a famous actor as cold and heartless, became a different piece altogether about the pressure on single mums in the past and on the care in the community policies of the time. So I guess Im saying not all tabloids/ journalists are necessarily evil. In this case the paper found out something purely by chance (writing a piece on "care in the community"), and gave the people involved a fair chance to respond. |
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Make sure you all get your last copy on Sunday, might be worth somethin' in the future :rofl:
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9483152)
As has been mentioned previous times on this forum, members of the Royal Family do not get to choose being a member. Your argument appears to be that they are "paid" by the public, so the public has a right to know. You then go on to say that you have no interest in what civil servants get up to. So it would appear that what you are actually saying is: I should be entitled to know everything about those I wish to. That seems a bit neanderthal to me.
I think that's quite a difference and explains the corresponding difference in attitudes. The suggestion that taxpayers don't care what those on welfare are up to also appears to ignore the hysteria in the media about "welfare cheats", "benefit scroungers" and "healthcare tourists" |
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 9483279)
When you say the "Royals" are paid by the public I think you missed out the word "well" and "exceedingly" and a few other words like "cosseted" "glamourised" "receiving the best" etc as compared to civil servants simply getting a wage for mostly humdrum stuff of interest to nobody.
I think that's quite a difference and explains the corresponding difference in attitudes. I really don't care who is being listened to, it is wrong. I think you and the posters above have explained the hypocrisy of saying it is bad for some, good for others. |
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9483532)
So it is about the money then;)
I really don't care who is being listened to, it is wrong. I think you and the posters above have explained the hypocrisy of saying it is bad for some, good for others. On the other hand, being followed around by paparazzi, and having details of your private life published is part of being famous. Providing these details are found out using legal means then tough shit really. Having said this, hacking jordans phone is somewhat less of a crime than hacking the parents of the kids murdered in soham. Yes it's still illegal, but it's the difference between pinching a mars bar from the local shop and robbing somebody of their life savings. |
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 9483279)
When you say the "Royals" are paid by the public I think you missed out the word "well" and "exceedingly" and a few other words like "cosseted" "glamourised" "receiving the best" etc as compared to civil servants simply getting a wage for mostly humdrum stuff of interest to nobody.
I think that's quite a difference and explains the corresponding difference in attitudes. Perhaps you've not noticed that hysteria/interest is actually about what those people are doing - ie cheating the system. It has some relevance. It's not about whether they're gay, having sex with a prostitute, having an affair etc. Phew....This old debate of the royals being overpaid namby-pamby suckers? Well civil servants don't bring in the tourists and the revenues If the story in the link below is anything to go by, then at least queenie realizes there is an austerity in the UK right now, and coats need to be cut according to size http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...s-pound-18m.do |
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9483558)
Phone tapping and illegal activities are bad for anyone and shouldn't be condoned. No matter how famous.
On the other hand, being followed around by paparazzi, and having details of your private life published is part of being famous. Providing these details are found out using legal means then tough shit really |
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Originally Posted by ultrarunner
(Post 9483571)
Phew....This old debate of the royals being overpaid namby-pamby suckers?
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9483558)
Phone tapping and illegal activities are bad for anyone and shouldn't be condoned. No matter how famous.
On the other hand, being followed around by paparazzi, and having details of your private life published is part of being famous. Providing these details are found out using legal means then tough shit really. Having said this, hacking jordans phone is somewhat less of a crime than hacking the parents of the kids murdered in soham. Yes it's still illegal, but it's the difference between pinching a mars bar from the local shop and robbing somebody of their life savings. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...be-arrested.do |
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 9483532)
So it is about the money then;)
I really don't care who is being listened to, it is wrong. I think you and the posters above have explained the hypocrisy of saying it is bad for some, good for others. There is clearly some disjoint between what people are saying and what your understanding. Go figure.......... |
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Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 9483575)
Unfortunately Almost Canadian does not understand this as he has pointed out many times.
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Originally Posted by ultrarunner
(Post 9483581)
Yes...but are we saying there is a fine line, or that all acts as mentioned above are just criminal? Looks like some serious action on this matter has started
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Originally Posted by ultrarunner
(Post 9483571)
Phew....This old debate of the royals being overpaid namby-pamby suckers? Well civil servants don't bring in the tourists and the revenues
I'm not making an anti royal comment and I probably wouldn't want to be one. But I think any negatives they experience for what they are is more than made up by other advantages.:) And the point was about why the media (and public) might be more interested in one group than another, not who was "worth" a place in society more than another. |
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 9481929)
The Millie Dowler allegations are potentially the most serious: reports are that the phone hacker hired by NOTW journalists acutally deleted messages from her mailbox when it was full, so that he could make space for further messages to steal. The family was left thinking that Millie herself may still be alive and picking up her messages remotely. That's pretty disgusting, even by the standards of the Dirty Digger.
Has Cameron conceded a full public judicial inquiry yet? I don't know, but if he hasn't it's because he's still keeping his best underwear on for Murdoch. Why the redtops are not regulated I cannot understand when almost every other mainstream news outlet in the UK is. Oh yes, of course, because we believe in freedom of speech and 'investigating what's in the public interest'. Bollocks. What's in the interests of the redtops is to maintain their 3m weekly readership, that's what. 'Oh come on, people don't have to buy these papers'. "Go and buy your 20p Sun, come and get your 10p Mirror, and get juicy gossip on why the Mirror/Sun[substitute paper] can actually make a difference to your lives". Sadly, it's like pushing candy to a baby. Liverpool got it right after Hillsborough and hopefully communities up and down the country will now follow suit. |
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 9483558)
Phone tapping and illegal activities are bad for anyone and shouldn't be condoned. No matter how famous.
On the other hand, being followed around by paparazzi, and having details of your private life published is part of being famous. Providing these details are found out using legal means then tough shit really. Having said this, hacking jordans phone is somewhat less of a crime than hacking the parents of the kids murdered in soham. Yes it's still illegal, but it's the difference between pinching a mars bar from the local shop and robbing somebody of their life savings. |
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Originally Posted by Londonuck
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Well they didnt care about the jobs when they scabbed on us originally. Like Christmas come early.
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Originally Posted by CaptainHook
(Post 9484792)
So if you or I became famous as a result of working hard, being lucky, or winning a massive Lottery jackpot, we'd be fair game for journalists in your opinion. Illegal is still illegal, no matter who the victim is.
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Originally Posted by CaptainHook
(Post 9484792)
So if you or I became famous as a result of working hard, being lucky, or winning a massive Lottery jackpot, we'd be fair game for journalists in your opinion. Illegal is still illegal, no matter who the victim is. Are people actually reading other people's posts properly on this thread because you are the second person to not read a post properly and then point the finger unjustifiably............ |
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All this self-righteousness hysteria and finger wagging at the N of W is dull. Arrest the people for phone hacking if it's a crime and if you don't like tabloids, don't buy them.
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