Need an opinion from younger people
Apr 8th 2007, 4:42 am
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Need an opinion from younger people
This might be long, but here goes. I guess my neighbours would be in their 40s. They have a son about 19 and a daughter about 17. They have lived next door for maybe 16 years and we have got along fine. We have never really socialised with them, but the year before last, they invited us to their anniversary bbq in their garden and we have always chatted when we saw them outside.
HOWEVER (and I have mentioned this before here, but for newcomers will tell the story over) last summer, they acquired a dog, having never had a dog before. The husband told me that his son brought the dog home. They said "no dogs - we don't want a dog - but the girl started crying so we said he could keep it". The girl being about 17. So - the dog, told to be a Rottweiler/Shepherd cross - was stuck in their backyard. I have three little dogs and a very old Golden Retriever. Their dog spent the whole time pawing at the fence trying to get in to my dogs.
I went to the husband, and very nicely, not rudely, I said that I felt sorry for the dog being shut in the yard all the time. He got all defensive and said the dog liked it out there!! So I said that I belonged to the kennel club, and here was a gift certificate for $10 off obedience classes. He said he didn't need it as he was already planning to take the dog to classes. I told him that the wooden fence, being 40 years old and all rotten, would not contain a dog like his when it got bigger, so I intended to build a chainlink fence on my own property. He said this wasn't necessary as the dog was friendly. I said "Kim - 100 percent of 4 month old puppies are friendly." And I went ahead and built the fence.
In September, my son was here helping me to put boards on my front gate. He commented on the disgusting stink and we saw that there was dog poop on the other side of the fence. When the son came home I said - "we were working there and there is an awful smell of dog poop, so I thought I would tell you so you could pick it up." He said "thank you" but did absolutely nothing.
Previous owners of my house had put a 2 foot wide strip of concrete all around the yard. The wooden fence is one side, the chain link fence is the other. The 2 foot strip being part of my property. During the winter their dog broke down the rotten wooden fence about a dozen times. On several occasions I phoned and told them the dog had broken the fence down, and someone came out and nailed boards sideways across the gap in a useless attempt to keep the dog in their own yard.
The dog is now huge and barks all the time. It does not bark constantly, but it will bark intermittently all day. I would say on a normal day the dog might bark once every half hour or so. The neighbours are not there all day. I am.
Since the nicer weather has come, and I have been outside more and have the windows open more, I notice the barking more. Also, probably when it was colder, the dog was in its dog house. Last Friday I was up in my bedroom talking on the phone. The dog was barking so loudly at people arriving at the neighbour's that I had to shut my bedroom window. My driveway is on their side of my house and everyone who comes to my house has to contend with this huge dog jumping up at the fence and barking. I have a friend who is scared of dogs. When she came to my house she climbed out of the passenger side of her car because she thought the dog could maybe break down or jump the fence.
I know that I am a light sleeper, but I am entitled to be a light sleeper. The dog barks at 3 am - not for long but long enough to wake me up. The dog was barking at 5.15 am on Good Friday. I would say that just about every night that dog barks at some point during the small hours. It is now 10.44pm and the dog has been barking four times since sat down here at about 10.10. In fact it is now 11.08 and that dog has been barking almost continuously since about 10.50.
I have phoned the police; the Humane Society, the City Bylaw people. I was hoping that I could make an anonomous complaint but it seems that nobody is interested unless I am prepared to make a statement to the police. From what they said if I phone when the dog is barking and they get there and the dog is not barking, they can do nothing unless I make a complaint.
My neighbour says that she think he is letting the dog make a noise on purpose because his nose was out of joint when I offered him the obedience class gift certificate. She said - they don't want the dog and had no intention of taking it to obedience and now they are annoyed.
My husband says this makes no sense because the barking must annoy all the neighbours - not just me.
I spend the majority of my time outside in the summer. We have a pool and I really do not want to sit outside and listen to that dog bark for a good part of the day and night. At the moment, its too cold to have the windows open at night. When it gets warmer, will I have to keep my windows shut so that I can hear the television or read a book over the dog's barking?
I don't really see that I have done anything wrong. My dogs don't bark. My Golden would bark if I left her out 24/7 like they do, but I don't leave her out when I am not home and when I am home if she barks, I have always called her in the house again.
I honestly think the bottom line is - they really do not want the dog but they don't have the nerve to take it to the Humane Society because they think it will be euthanised - so they stick it in the backyard and go off to work. They shove a bowl of food and water out once a day and apart from that the dog is left to its own devices. I am outside all the time - I NEVER see anyone in that yard - ever.
It seems I have no option but to keep track of the dog's barking and then bite the bullet and tell them I am not going to listen to it any more and if they don't do something - I will be making a complaint to the police. It seems a shame, but I can't see what else I can do.
My question is - what is the down side of this? Can some of you about that age tell me what your reaction would be?
Am I being unreasonable?
What is unreasonable insofar as a dog barking is concerned?
HOWEVER (and I have mentioned this before here, but for newcomers will tell the story over) last summer, they acquired a dog, having never had a dog before. The husband told me that his son brought the dog home. They said "no dogs - we don't want a dog - but the girl started crying so we said he could keep it". The girl being about 17. So - the dog, told to be a Rottweiler/Shepherd cross - was stuck in their backyard. I have three little dogs and a very old Golden Retriever. Their dog spent the whole time pawing at the fence trying to get in to my dogs.
I went to the husband, and very nicely, not rudely, I said that I felt sorry for the dog being shut in the yard all the time. He got all defensive and said the dog liked it out there!! So I said that I belonged to the kennel club, and here was a gift certificate for $10 off obedience classes. He said he didn't need it as he was already planning to take the dog to classes. I told him that the wooden fence, being 40 years old and all rotten, would not contain a dog like his when it got bigger, so I intended to build a chainlink fence on my own property. He said this wasn't necessary as the dog was friendly. I said "Kim - 100 percent of 4 month old puppies are friendly." And I went ahead and built the fence.
In September, my son was here helping me to put boards on my front gate. He commented on the disgusting stink and we saw that there was dog poop on the other side of the fence. When the son came home I said - "we were working there and there is an awful smell of dog poop, so I thought I would tell you so you could pick it up." He said "thank you" but did absolutely nothing.
Previous owners of my house had put a 2 foot wide strip of concrete all around the yard. The wooden fence is one side, the chain link fence is the other. The 2 foot strip being part of my property. During the winter their dog broke down the rotten wooden fence about a dozen times. On several occasions I phoned and told them the dog had broken the fence down, and someone came out and nailed boards sideways across the gap in a useless attempt to keep the dog in their own yard.
The dog is now huge and barks all the time. It does not bark constantly, but it will bark intermittently all day. I would say on a normal day the dog might bark once every half hour or so. The neighbours are not there all day. I am.
Since the nicer weather has come, and I have been outside more and have the windows open more, I notice the barking more. Also, probably when it was colder, the dog was in its dog house. Last Friday I was up in my bedroom talking on the phone. The dog was barking so loudly at people arriving at the neighbour's that I had to shut my bedroom window. My driveway is on their side of my house and everyone who comes to my house has to contend with this huge dog jumping up at the fence and barking. I have a friend who is scared of dogs. When she came to my house she climbed out of the passenger side of her car because she thought the dog could maybe break down or jump the fence.
I know that I am a light sleeper, but I am entitled to be a light sleeper. The dog barks at 3 am - not for long but long enough to wake me up. The dog was barking at 5.15 am on Good Friday. I would say that just about every night that dog barks at some point during the small hours. It is now 10.44pm and the dog has been barking four times since sat down here at about 10.10. In fact it is now 11.08 and that dog has been barking almost continuously since about 10.50.
I have phoned the police; the Humane Society, the City Bylaw people. I was hoping that I could make an anonomous complaint but it seems that nobody is interested unless I am prepared to make a statement to the police. From what they said if I phone when the dog is barking and they get there and the dog is not barking, they can do nothing unless I make a complaint.
My neighbour says that she think he is letting the dog make a noise on purpose because his nose was out of joint when I offered him the obedience class gift certificate. She said - they don't want the dog and had no intention of taking it to obedience and now they are annoyed.
My husband says this makes no sense because the barking must annoy all the neighbours - not just me.
I spend the majority of my time outside in the summer. We have a pool and I really do not want to sit outside and listen to that dog bark for a good part of the day and night. At the moment, its too cold to have the windows open at night. When it gets warmer, will I have to keep my windows shut so that I can hear the television or read a book over the dog's barking?
I don't really see that I have done anything wrong. My dogs don't bark. My Golden would bark if I left her out 24/7 like they do, but I don't leave her out when I am not home and when I am home if she barks, I have always called her in the house again.
I honestly think the bottom line is - they really do not want the dog but they don't have the nerve to take it to the Humane Society because they think it will be euthanised - so they stick it in the backyard and go off to work. They shove a bowl of food and water out once a day and apart from that the dog is left to its own devices. I am outside all the time - I NEVER see anyone in that yard - ever.
It seems I have no option but to keep track of the dog's barking and then bite the bullet and tell them I am not going to listen to it any more and if they don't do something - I will be making a complaint to the police. It seems a shame, but I can't see what else I can do.
My question is - what is the down side of this? Can some of you about that age tell me what your reaction would be?
Am I being unreasonable?
What is unreasonable insofar as a dog barking is concerned?
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Apr 8th 2007, 10:48 am
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Re: Need an opinion from younger people
Liz
I feel for you. Irrespective of age, having to put up with this situation is unacceptable. Have you tried sitting down with them and having a frank discussion stating your objections etc?
If thats already happened with no joy, I would proceed with your complaint. It appears to me that you have been reasonable.
Maybe a solicitors letter might serve a purpose. There are a few on the board that might offer their opinion?
In the meantime I would start gathering evidence including pictures, especially of the feces and anything else that would be considered socially unacceptable. List, verbatim any conversations that you may have with them and make a log of all noise disturbances.
I would also establish if your other neighbors are prepared to support your complaint.
best of luck
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I feel for you. Irrespective of age, having to put up with this situation is unacceptable. Have you tried sitting down with them and having a frank discussion stating your objections etc?
If thats already happened with no joy, I would proceed with your complaint. It appears to me that you have been reasonable.
Maybe a solicitors letter might serve a purpose. There are a few on the board that might offer their opinion?
In the meantime I would start gathering evidence including pictures, especially of the feces and anything else that would be considered socially unacceptable. List, verbatim any conversations that you may have with them and make a log of all noise disturbances.
I would also establish if your other neighbors are prepared to support your complaint.
best of luck
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This might be long, but here goes. I guess my neighbours would be in their 40s. They have a son about 19 and a daughter about 17. They have lived next door for maybe 16 years and we have got along fine. We have never really socialised with them, but the year before last, they invited us to their anniversary bbq in their garden and we have always chatted when we saw them outside.
HOWEVER (and I have mentioned this before here, but for newcomers will tell the story over) last summer, they acquired a dog, having never had a dog before. The husband told me that his son brought the dog home. They said "no dogs - we don't want a dog - but the girl started crying so we said he could keep it". The girl being about 17. So - the dog, told to be a Rottweiler/Shepherd cross - was stuck in their backyard. I have three little dogs and a very old Golden Retriever. Their dog spent the whole time pawing at the fence trying to get in to my dogs.
I went to the husband, and very nicely, not rudely, I said that I felt sorry for the dog being shut in the yard all the time. He got all defensive and said the dog liked it out there!! So I said that I belonged to the kennel club, and here was a gift certificate for $10 off obedience classes. He said he didn't need it as he was already planning to take the dog to classes. I told him that the wooden fence, being 40 years old and all rotten, would not contain a dog like his when it got bigger, so I intended to build a chainlink fence on my own property. He said this wasn't necessary as the dog was friendly. I said "Kim - 100 percent of 4 month old puppies are friendly." And I went ahead and built the fence.
In September, my son was here helping me to put boards on my front gate. He commented on the disgusting stink and we saw that there was dog poop on the other side of the fence. When the son came home I said - "we were working there and there is an awful smell of dog poop, so I thought I would tell you so you could pick it up." He said "thank you" but did absolutely nothing.
Previous owners of my house had put a 2 foot wide strip of concrete all around the yard. The wooden fence is one side, the chain link fence is the other. The 2 foot strip being part of my property. During the winter their dog broke down the rotten wooden fence about a dozen times. On several occasions I phoned and told them the dog had broken the fence down, and someone came out and nailed boards sideways across the gap in a useless attempt to keep the dog in their own yard.
The dog is now huge and barks all the time. It does not bark constantly, but it will bark intermittently all day. I would say on a normal day the dog might bark once every half hour or so. The neighbours are not there all day. I am.
Since the nicer weather has come, and I have been outside more and have the windows open more, I notice the barking more. Also, probably when it was colder, the dog was in its dog house. Last Friday I was up in my bedroom talking on the phone. The dog was barking so loudly at people arriving at the neighbour's that I had to shut my bedroom window. My driveway is on their side of my house and everyone who comes to my house has to contend with this huge dog jumping up at the fence and barking. I have a friend who is scared of dogs. When she came to my house she climbed out of the passenger side of her car because she thought the dog could maybe break down or jump the fence.
I know that I am a light sleeper, but I am entitled to be a light sleeper. The dog barks at 3 am - not for long but long enough to wake me up. The dog was barking at 5.15 am on Good Friday. I would say that just about every night that dog barks at some point during the small hours. It is now 10.44pm and the dog has been barking four times since sat down here at about 10.10. In fact it is now 11.08 and that dog has been barking almost continuously since about 10.50.
I have phoned the police; the Humane Society, the City Bylaw people. I was hoping that I could make an anonomous complaint but it seems that nobody is interested unless I am prepared to make a statement to the police. From what they said if I phone when the dog is barking and they get there and the dog is not barking, they can do nothing unless I make a complaint.
My neighbour says that she think he is letting the dog make a noise on purpose because his nose was out of joint when I offered him the obedience class gift certificate. She said - they don't want the dog and had no intention of taking it to obedience and now they are annoyed.
My husband says this makes no sense because the barking must annoy all the neighbours - not just me.
I spend the majority of my time outside in the summer. We have a pool and I really do not want to sit outside and listen to that dog bark for a good part of the day and night. At the moment, its too cold to have the windows open at night. When it gets warmer, will I have to keep my windows shut so that I can hear the television or read a book over the dog's barking?
I don't really see that I have done anything wrong. My dogs don't bark. My Golden would bark if I left her out 24/7 like they do, but I don't leave her out when I am not home and when I am home if she barks, I have always called her in the house again.
I honestly think the bottom line is - they really do not want the dog but they don't have the nerve to take it to the Humane Society because they think it will be euthanised - so they stick it in the backyard and go off to work. They shove a bowl of food and water out once a day and apart from that the dog is left to its own devices. I am outside all the time - I NEVER see anyone in that yard - ever.
It seems I have no option but to keep track of the dog's barking and then bite the bullet and tell them I am not going to listen to it any more and if they don't do something - I will be making a complaint to the police. It seems a shame, but I can't see what else I can do.
My question is - what is the down side of this? Can some of you about that age tell me what your reaction would be?
Am I being unreasonable?
What is unreasonable insofar as a dog barking is concerned?
HOWEVER (and I have mentioned this before here, but for newcomers will tell the story over) last summer, they acquired a dog, having never had a dog before. The husband told me that his son brought the dog home. They said "no dogs - we don't want a dog - but the girl started crying so we said he could keep it". The girl being about 17. So - the dog, told to be a Rottweiler/Shepherd cross - was stuck in their backyard. I have three little dogs and a very old Golden Retriever. Their dog spent the whole time pawing at the fence trying to get in to my dogs.
I went to the husband, and very nicely, not rudely, I said that I felt sorry for the dog being shut in the yard all the time. He got all defensive and said the dog liked it out there!! So I said that I belonged to the kennel club, and here was a gift certificate for $10 off obedience classes. He said he didn't need it as he was already planning to take the dog to classes. I told him that the wooden fence, being 40 years old and all rotten, would not contain a dog like his when it got bigger, so I intended to build a chainlink fence on my own property. He said this wasn't necessary as the dog was friendly. I said "Kim - 100 percent of 4 month old puppies are friendly." And I went ahead and built the fence.
In September, my son was here helping me to put boards on my front gate. He commented on the disgusting stink and we saw that there was dog poop on the other side of the fence. When the son came home I said - "we were working there and there is an awful smell of dog poop, so I thought I would tell you so you could pick it up." He said "thank you" but did absolutely nothing.
Previous owners of my house had put a 2 foot wide strip of concrete all around the yard. The wooden fence is one side, the chain link fence is the other. The 2 foot strip being part of my property. During the winter their dog broke down the rotten wooden fence about a dozen times. On several occasions I phoned and told them the dog had broken the fence down, and someone came out and nailed boards sideways across the gap in a useless attempt to keep the dog in their own yard.
The dog is now huge and barks all the time. It does not bark constantly, but it will bark intermittently all day. I would say on a normal day the dog might bark once every half hour or so. The neighbours are not there all day. I am.
Since the nicer weather has come, and I have been outside more and have the windows open more, I notice the barking more. Also, probably when it was colder, the dog was in its dog house. Last Friday I was up in my bedroom talking on the phone. The dog was barking so loudly at people arriving at the neighbour's that I had to shut my bedroom window. My driveway is on their side of my house and everyone who comes to my house has to contend with this huge dog jumping up at the fence and barking. I have a friend who is scared of dogs. When she came to my house she climbed out of the passenger side of her car because she thought the dog could maybe break down or jump the fence.
I know that I am a light sleeper, but I am entitled to be a light sleeper. The dog barks at 3 am - not for long but long enough to wake me up. The dog was barking at 5.15 am on Good Friday. I would say that just about every night that dog barks at some point during the small hours. It is now 10.44pm and the dog has been barking four times since sat down here at about 10.10. In fact it is now 11.08 and that dog has been barking almost continuously since about 10.50.
I have phoned the police; the Humane Society, the City Bylaw people. I was hoping that I could make an anonomous complaint but it seems that nobody is interested unless I am prepared to make a statement to the police. From what they said if I phone when the dog is barking and they get there and the dog is not barking, they can do nothing unless I make a complaint.
My neighbour says that she think he is letting the dog make a noise on purpose because his nose was out of joint when I offered him the obedience class gift certificate. She said - they don't want the dog and had no intention of taking it to obedience and now they are annoyed.
My husband says this makes no sense because the barking must annoy all the neighbours - not just me.
I spend the majority of my time outside in the summer. We have a pool and I really do not want to sit outside and listen to that dog bark for a good part of the day and night. At the moment, its too cold to have the windows open at night. When it gets warmer, will I have to keep my windows shut so that I can hear the television or read a book over the dog's barking?
I don't really see that I have done anything wrong. My dogs don't bark. My Golden would bark if I left her out 24/7 like they do, but I don't leave her out when I am not home and when I am home if she barks, I have always called her in the house again.
I honestly think the bottom line is - they really do not want the dog but they don't have the nerve to take it to the Humane Society because they think it will be euthanised - so they stick it in the backyard and go off to work. They shove a bowl of food and water out once a day and apart from that the dog is left to its own devices. I am outside all the time - I NEVER see anyone in that yard - ever.
It seems I have no option but to keep track of the dog's barking and then bite the bullet and tell them I am not going to listen to it any more and if they don't do something - I will be making a complaint to the police. It seems a shame, but I can't see what else I can do.
My question is - what is the down side of this? Can some of you about that age tell me what your reaction would be?
Am I being unreasonable?
What is unreasonable insofar as a dog barking is concerned?
Apr 8th 2007, 2:48 pm
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Liz
I really d feel for you - and that poor dog ! It is apparant to me that they dont really want this poor dog and something must be done to get it a better home.
I do know that in the UK we have the Dog's Homes and RSPCA who will take unwanted pets and then re house them into loving homes with people who want them and have the time to take care of them.
My friend in Canada has two dogs that are left home for about 6 hours per day Monday to Friday - but they are only tiny "lap dog" types such as a mini terri poo and a shitsu type dog. They are relatively good dogs and only bark when someone approaches the property - but if they do bark they are reprimanded by my friend immediately.
These neighbours have shut their home and their ears to this poor creature and something must be done for it's own sanity.
Good Luck Liz
Gaynor
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I really d feel for you - and that poor dog ! It is apparant to me that they dont really want this poor dog and something must be done to get it a better home.
I do know that in the UK we have the Dog's Homes and RSPCA who will take unwanted pets and then re house them into loving homes with people who want them and have the time to take care of them.
My friend in Canada has two dogs that are left home for about 6 hours per day Monday to Friday - but they are only tiny "lap dog" types such as a mini terri poo and a shitsu type dog. They are relatively good dogs and only bark when someone approaches the property - but if they do bark they are reprimanded by my friend immediately.
These neighbours have shut their home and their ears to this poor creature and something must be done for it's own sanity.
Good Luck Liz
Gaynor
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Apr 8th 2007, 4:04 pm
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Thanks for that. I just wanted to know if I was being a crotchety old fogey!!
I think I will start keeping track of when the dog barks - as you suggested.
I am reluctant to talk to them face to face, because when I did speak to him about leaving the dog by itself - and this was when the dog was only a puppy last fall - he got all defensive and tried to say that their dog was only barking because my dogs barked first! In actual fact, their dog was barking because my dogs were racing around and playing and having a good time and their dog wanted to join in!
Once I have documented the dog's barking, I will drop them a note, suggesting that the dog would be far, far happier on a farm with a job to do - and then saying that if the dog continued to bark and be a nuisance, I would be making a complaint to the police.
Right now, it's not too bad as its still pretty cool here and all the windows are closed. I think it will be a lot worse when spring comes and all the windows are open.
I think I will start keeping track of when the dog barks - as you suggested.
I am reluctant to talk to them face to face, because when I did speak to him about leaving the dog by itself - and this was when the dog was only a puppy last fall - he got all defensive and tried to say that their dog was only barking because my dogs barked first! In actual fact, their dog was barking because my dogs were racing around and playing and having a good time and their dog wanted to join in!
Once I have documented the dog's barking, I will drop them a note, suggesting that the dog would be far, far happier on a farm with a job to do - and then saying that if the dog continued to bark and be a nuisance, I would be making a complaint to the police.
Right now, it's not too bad as its still pretty cool here and all the windows are closed. I think it will be a lot worse when spring comes and all the windows are open.
Apr 8th 2007, 7:20 pm
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You arent being an old fogey at all.
I do have a question though liz. Does regina not have an animal control services and animal control by-laws?
In victoria we have very very strict animal control by-laws and an animal control services for the city, not just for dogs but for all animals. They have just recently picked up an cougar and took him back to the wilds.
Anyway, some friends of ours were going through the same experience as you. They had tried to reason with the neighbours who were leaving their dog out 24/7 and he was barking 24/7. When they finally called animal control out of total frustration, animal control went and visited the people once. Our friends were told if it happens again to keep track of the time and dates and if it went on for a week to call again. Apparently it did and the dog was finally impounded (after three warnings). The people were heavily fined.
The problem it seems has been resolved.
I do have a question though liz. Does regina not have an animal control services and animal control by-laws?
In victoria we have very very strict animal control by-laws and an animal control services for the city, not just for dogs but for all animals. They have just recently picked up an cougar and took him back to the wilds.
Anyway, some friends of ours were going through the same experience as you. They had tried to reason with the neighbours who were leaving their dog out 24/7 and he was barking 24/7. When they finally called animal control out of total frustration, animal control went and visited the people once. Our friends were told if it happens again to keep track of the time and dates and if it went on for a week to call again. Apparently it did and the dog was finally impounded (after three warnings). The people were heavily fined.
The problem it seems has been resolved.
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Apr 8th 2007, 7:21 pm
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I went to the husband, and very nicely, not rudely, I said that I felt sorry for the dog being shut in the yard all the time. He got all defensive and said the dog liked it out there!! So I said that I belonged to the kennel club, and here was a gift certificate for $10 off obedience classes
I think this is what has caused your main problem
Apr 8th 2007, 7:24 pm
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Apr 8th 2007, 9:11 pm
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No DannyB that is not correct. What happened was that after he had told me on the first occasion that they did not want a dog, about two weeks later I was out front when he came along. I said that I felt sorry for the dog being left out there all the time and that it was constantly pawing at the fence trying to get in my yard to be with my dogs. I forget how the conversation went exactly but if you read my post again - you will see that this was what I said. And that WAS the truth at the time. It was a 4 month old puppy and it was obviously lonesome. He made some remarks about the dog - I forget quite what - and I offered him the certificate.
At that time - which was last fall, it was just a puppy and was no particular trouble to me, except I felt sorry for it sitting there by itself all the time looking through the fence at my dogs having fun.
However, I must admit (and I did not say anything about this to him) that I was even at that time concerned about what would happen when the dog was an adult. Rottweilers and German Shepherds are two of the most territorial breeds and if they are left alone in a space with no - or very little socialization, they can often grow up to be dangerous. His remark about how I did not have to worry as the dog was friendly, just showed how little he knows about territorial dog breeds. But I could tell I was getting nowhere. He has never had a dog - but he knows all about them. That is presumably how he knew that the dog was "happy" being shut in the yard by itself 24/7.
And to Willmore - I don't know what the bylaws are in the City. The City Bylaw woman told me that they are responsible for barking etc. between 9 am and 5 pm. The City Police are responsible during the evening and night time. One police officer told me that I could make an anonomous complaint; one police officer told me I could NOT make an anonomous complaint.
It appears to be like phoning Revenue Canada - you phone 8 times and get 8 different answers.
I thought that the most diplomatic thing I could do was complain anonomously; have the police go to their door and say that there had been complaints and they should keep their dog quiet. That way, they would not know who had complained and I thought that would be best for neighbour relations.
However, if that is not possible, then I will keep track, warn them in writing and then phone the police if it continues.
The thing that I find really strange is that up to now they have been no problem. When I worked full time, I sometimes left my Golden Retriever out, but I spoke to the neighbours and told them to let me know if the dog barked and annoyed them, and then I would keep her in when I was at work.
I don't want to annoy my neighbours. I don't understand people who would go to work all day and leave the dog outside. That sounds to me like "I am gone and I can't hear the dog - so too bad for anyone who can."
At that time - which was last fall, it was just a puppy and was no particular trouble to me, except I felt sorry for it sitting there by itself all the time looking through the fence at my dogs having fun.
However, I must admit (and I did not say anything about this to him) that I was even at that time concerned about what would happen when the dog was an adult. Rottweilers and German Shepherds are two of the most territorial breeds and if they are left alone in a space with no - or very little socialization, they can often grow up to be dangerous. His remark about how I did not have to worry as the dog was friendly, just showed how little he knows about territorial dog breeds. But I could tell I was getting nowhere. He has never had a dog - but he knows all about them. That is presumably how he knew that the dog was "happy" being shut in the yard by itself 24/7.
And to Willmore - I don't know what the bylaws are in the City. The City Bylaw woman told me that they are responsible for barking etc. between 9 am and 5 pm. The City Police are responsible during the evening and night time. One police officer told me that I could make an anonomous complaint; one police officer told me I could NOT make an anonomous complaint.
It appears to be like phoning Revenue Canada - you phone 8 times and get 8 different answers.
I thought that the most diplomatic thing I could do was complain anonomously; have the police go to their door and say that there had been complaints and they should keep their dog quiet. That way, they would not know who had complained and I thought that would be best for neighbour relations.
However, if that is not possible, then I will keep track, warn them in writing and then phone the police if it continues.
The thing that I find really strange is that up to now they have been no problem. When I worked full time, I sometimes left my Golden Retriever out, but I spoke to the neighbours and told them to let me know if the dog barked and annoyed them, and then I would keep her in when I was at work.
I don't want to annoy my neighbours. I don't understand people who would go to work all day and leave the dog outside. That sounds to me like "I am gone and I can't hear the dog - so too bad for anyone who can."
Apr 8th 2007, 11:09 pm
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With regard to the noise complaint, personally, I don't think you have any legal right to complain about the dog barking during the day, regardless of whether you have your windows open or not. That would be like complaining about children playing outside and making noise during the day. However I think you do definitely have a right to complain about the dog barking between 11pm and 7am.
Still it sounds like they are neglecting it, and that's definitely something to report.
Still it sounds like they are neglecting it, and that's definitely something to report.
Apr 9th 2007, 12:28 am
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Stupid as it may sound, the Regina Humane Society says that so long as a dog has shelter, water and food - they cannot do anything. They did sound regretful, but I guess that is the law in Regina. The minimum is what is acceptable.
Apr 9th 2007, 3:10 am
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Originally Posted by lizwil98
Stupid as it may sound, the Regina Humane Society says that so long as a dog has shelter, water and food - they cannot do anything. They did sound regretful, but I guess that is the law in Regina. The minimum is what is acceptable.
Apr 9th 2007, 3:34 am
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I have a dog who goes in and out while I am at work. He is large and yes he does bark when someone comes onto my property - very loudly in fact, that is what he is supposed to do. My now ex neighbours complained to animal control about my dog about five months after they moved in. They also complained about the kids, balls against fences...you name it, they moaned. It caused a war, I won by confronting the beatch every time she called Animal Control or the City as she had no evidence. The woman even tried to poison my dog with rat poison (remember I have kids in that garden too), so I set up a video camera, catching them poking my dog with a long stick through the fence! No wonder he barked! When I showed her the video, I gave her two choices. She moved.
Neighbour disputes can make people's lives a misery.....but I have to agree, barking through the night smacks of neglect to me. My hound sleeps like a log most of the day now and doesn't make a sound at night. If the dog was being properly cared for, it would not do that unless disturbed by unexpected visitors/intruders.
Neighbour disputes can make people's lives a misery.....but I have to agree, barking through the night smacks of neglect to me. My hound sleeps like a log most of the day now and doesn't make a sound at night. If the dog was being properly cared for, it would not do that unless disturbed by unexpected visitors/intruders.
Apr 9th 2007, 4:41 am
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Yes, Judy - that does sound crazy - in fact CRAZY. I want no more big dogs. Also, and I know that some disagree but I do what I want. I would NEVER, EVER have a mongrel. Others can. I won't. If I were 15 years younger --- I always wanted a Doberman. But I am not 15 years younger and I am happy with my little Shih-tzus thanks!
Sure Dingbat - if the dog was barking at people ON ITS PROPERTY. This dog barks when a fire engine drives down the street. When I go out to my car. When I take the garbage out. It barks when the neighbours pull up in their car across the street; when the guy next door has company. It barks on and off all day and night and who knows what it barks at. My neighbour across the back says it goes ballistic when he takes his garbage out to the bin in the back alley. In my books - none of these are ON ITS PROPERTY!
The one and only reason I would offer to take the dog is so that I could put an ad in the paper and get rid of it! If nobody wanted it - I would take it to the Humane Society with absolutely no conscience about what might happen to it - none whatsoever! But I think they would be wise to that. Mind you - I also think they would be happy to be rid of the dog!!! However, that being said, I am not prepared to risk my dogs that I love with an unsocialized huge dog of mixed territorial breeds!
I have never complained to them ever before the dog. I never had any reason to. They were perfectly fine neighbours. My granddaughter used to hang around with their daughter all summer when my granddaughter was about 8 and their daughter maybe 12 or 13. She came in and swam in my pool and I sometimes fed the two of them lunch, took them to the museum etc. etc. - this was during the summer holidays.
Sure Dingbat - if the dog was barking at people ON ITS PROPERTY. This dog barks when a fire engine drives down the street. When I go out to my car. When I take the garbage out. It barks when the neighbours pull up in their car across the street; when the guy next door has company. It barks on and off all day and night and who knows what it barks at. My neighbour across the back says it goes ballistic when he takes his garbage out to the bin in the back alley. In my books - none of these are ON ITS PROPERTY!
The one and only reason I would offer to take the dog is so that I could put an ad in the paper and get rid of it! If nobody wanted it - I would take it to the Humane Society with absolutely no conscience about what might happen to it - none whatsoever! But I think they would be wise to that. Mind you - I also think they would be happy to be rid of the dog!!! However, that being said, I am not prepared to risk my dogs that I love with an unsocialized huge dog of mixed territorial breeds!
I have never complained to them ever before the dog. I never had any reason to. They were perfectly fine neighbours. My granddaughter used to hang around with their daughter all summer when my granddaughter was about 8 and their daughter maybe 12 or 13. She came in and swam in my pool and I sometimes fed the two of them lunch, took them to the museum etc. etc. - this was during the summer holidays.
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Apr 9th 2007, 5:48 am
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Sure Dingbat - if the dog was barking at people ON ITS PROPERTY. This dog barks when a fire engine drives down the street. When I go out to my car. When I take the garbage out. It barks when the neighbours pull up in their car across the street; when the guy next door has company. It barks on and off all day and night and who knows what it barks at. My neighbour across the back says it goes ballistic when he takes his garbage out to the bin in the back alley. In my books - none of these are ON ITS PROPERTY!
