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jimf Sep 11th 2013 3:24 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10895938)
:ohmy: Not a very jimf thing to say!

There does seem to be a curious liberal/conservative alliance in the 3rd world immigration business. Both seem to regard the immigrant as a commodity - for the liberals the benefit is they believe it's an automatic additional vote for them in the future and for the conservatives more cheap labour means more profit for the upper echelons of their membership.

Shard Sep 11th 2013 3:25 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 10895954)
There does seem to be a curious liberal/conservative alliance in the 3rd world immigration business. Both seem to regard the immigrant as a commodity - for the liberals the benefit is they believe it's an automatic additional vote for them in the future and for the conservatives more cheap labour means more profit for the upper echelons of their membership.

You have a point.

montreal mike Sep 11th 2013 3:33 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 10895934)
Over the last few decades, having found the supply of desperate europeans much reduced, Canada has had to become a good deal less choosy about the source of immigrants.

not according to this link if it is to be believed

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-onc...migration.html

jimf Sep 11th 2013 3:45 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 10895979)
not according to this link if it is to be believed

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-onc...migration.html

Certainly the economic problems in europe over the last 5 years seems to have provided a modest boost to the number of desperate europeans willing to contemplate Canada, especially if they can't get into the USA or Australia.

montreal mike Sep 11th 2013 3:54 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by jimf (Post 10896000)
Certainly the economic problems in europe over the last 5 years seems to have provided a modest boost to the number of desperate europeans willing to contemplate Canada, especially if they can't get into the USA or Australia.

Times have changed

in 1967 at EXPO (worlds fair in Montreal) i recall seeing a few visible minorities (the term was not in use back then) and we naturally presumed these were affluent visitors from overseas or foreign diplomats

I still do not understand why not more Europeans are attracted to Canada

It sure has been good to me and leaving the UK in 1962 is something I never regretted

Jingsamichty Sep 11th 2013 3:55 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10895893)
There is a difference in that people are obliged to leave certain countries where they work as expats, not just in the middle east but, for example, the US, whereas they choose to leave Canada. The cycle is shorter where expiration of work permit is a factor as is the certainty of leaving. Nonetheless, posters here came to Canada for the money then moved on, to France, to Arizona, to Mexico, to Norfolk. I've lost count of the number of people I knew here who are now back in their home countries, the Lebanon, Turkey, Hong Kong, Cyprus, all over. There aren't many people who relish the idea of growing old here.

I think you are on the button here. Most immigrants/expats to Canada come because of "what Canada can do for them", i.e. they will be better off here than there. It's really only a small number of Old World Brits who give any thought to "Canadian culture" or respect for the history etc.

For most, emigration to Canada is a means to an end. In modern times, with cheap communication and travel, the ties to 'the old countries' will remain as strong as though they had just come to Canada on holiday. It's not like 100 or even 50 years ago when people really did have to sever their old lives and create new ones.

not2old Sep 11th 2013 3:58 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 
pretty much flat across the board in the last 10 years according to the Canadian government CIC department

Summary at the bottom of the page on the link

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...rmanent/08.asp

-Between 1928 and 1971, one million immigrants came to Canada through Pier 21 alone.

-By the 1960s, one-third of Canadians had origins that were neither British nor French, and took pride in preserving their distinct culture in the Canadian fabric.

-Today, most immigrants come from China, Philippines and India.

-The proportion of foreign-born Canadians was 19.8% in 2006.

-24% of Canada’s population speaks languages other than English and French.

orly Sep 11th 2013 5:02 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10895840)
parts of the country already has a diverse population

Fixed that for you.

orly Sep 11th 2013 5:03 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 10896026)
I still do not understand why not more Europeans are attracted to Canada

Immigration policies do not favour them.

dbd33 Sep 11th 2013 5:27 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by orly (Post 10896169)
Fixed that for you.

I believe there's a rule against editing quotes.

Overall the population is diverse but, yes, there are ethnic enclaves, Guelph for example.

dbd33 Sep 11th 2013 5:28 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by orly (Post 10896171)
Immigration policies do not favour them.

They don't favour anyone, do they?

orly Sep 11th 2013 7:04 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10896237)
They don't favour anyone, do they?

Given the swing from Euro-centric immigration to Asian I'd say there is something at play.

dbd33 Sep 11th 2013 7:08 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by orly (Post 10896419)
Given the swing from Euro-centric immigration to Asian I'd say there is something at play.

Perhaps that there are more poor but educated young Asians than Europeans?

Poor so they want to go, young and educated so they qualify.

jimf Sep 11th 2013 7:31 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 10896026)
Times have changed

in 1967 at EXPO (worlds fair in Montreal) i recall seeing a few visible minorities (the term was not in use back then) and we naturally presumed these were affluent visitors from overseas or foreign diplomats

I still do not understand why not more Europeans are attracted to Canada
It sure has been good to me and leaving the UK in 1962 is something I never regretted

It's just for most there are better options elsewhere.

Martin the cdn expat Sep 11th 2013 7:47 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10896423)
Perhaps that there are more poor but educated young Asians than Europeans?

Poor so they want to go, young and educated so they qualify.


No, that's not it.

Australia had a 'White only' immigration policy until 1974.
We had... similar.

In the 90's, the Liberal government changed the focus of immigration, from white Europeans to minorities, based on the idea minorities vote Liberal.

The Conservatives have continued the wide open door East because they think it will work for them as well.


The UK has done something similar.


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