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Shard Sep 9th 2013 2:05 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10892577)
Peterborough has a strong Irish background, many of the original settlers were brought from Ireland by Peter Robinson. They certainly brought their prejudices with them with Protestants burning Catholic owned farms and vice versa.

Orangemen have played a strong part in Canada's history, both in goverrnment and supporting govts in suppressing rebellion. Especially the Fenians from the south.


In England I remember clashes between sikhs and Hindus.

So yes, we immigrants bring our prejudices with us.


(not even mentioning the whole anglo franco thing)


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10892634)
Not one and not common. The essence of the multiculture is that there are lots of minority hatreds, none commonly held.


No, I meant that meant the idea that minority hatreds are common. I don't think that they are (save possibly at the U of York (allegedly)).

Souvy Sep 9th 2013 2:06 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10892631)
In the pub? My point, of course, is that I wouldn't expect Brits in Oakville to be prejudiced against other Brits in Oakville.

The Brits I knew were more prejudiced against the cradles. The Geordies, Scousers, Glaswegians, Welsh, Irish (both flavours), shandy drinkers etc got along fine, even with the smattering of Germans and Hispanics in the circle.

Not too many people of colour, though, I will admit. There are not many in Oakville.

Simon Legree Sep 9th 2013 2:23 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 
I remember back in the 70s when the Serbian While Eagles would play footie against the Croats. They would have a huge police presence at those particular games and there was almost always trouble. Pipe bombs weren't unheard of and a fair amount of nasty stuff went on.
I have never understood why people would bring all this here with them when one of the reasons they often give for coming here is to get away from the strife !

bats Sep 9th 2013 2:58 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 10892628)
Was that farm burning in recent decades or the distant past?

Now that you mention it I do recall some Sikh-Hindu skirmishes in Vancouver (not to mention a downed plane).

Obviously, I am not suggesting prejudices magically disappear when people emigrate, I am more calling into question DBD's assertion that there is a widespead/common hatred.

Now it's more evident in who gets the buildings contracts.

Oakvillian Sep 9th 2013 4:29 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by Simon Legree (Post 10892677)
I remember back in the 70s when the Serbian While Eagles would play footie against the Croats. They would have a huge police presence at those particular games and there was almost always trouble. Pipe bombs weren't unheard of and a fair amount of nasty stuff went on.
I have never understood why people would bring all this here with them when one of the reasons they often give for coming here is to get away from the strife !

Sadly, it seems that at least in some instances it's the second generation who resurrect old animosities and re-engage in battles their parents emigrated to avoid. Look at what's happened in the Somali community (in Ontario and Alberta) over the last few years. Not only have there been an alarming number of murders of young Somali men, but more than a handful have been found to have re-immigrated to Somalia specifically to join in ethnic/tribal fighting. The same pattern is emerging in Sudanese youth. So much for moving to Canada "for the kids..."

not2old Sep 9th 2013 4:51 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 10892899)
So much for moving to Canada "for the kids..."

Don't know much about Oakville other than its a town off the QEW highway half way to Niagara Falls

Would you know if there is a large or diverse ethnic population mix in Oakville, particularly in the area that you live in - or are there pockets of ethnics in and around the areas of Oakville, if so what types of folks live in Oakville?

After I posted - I did a Wiki from 2011 ... does this still hold true?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakvill...o#Demographics

bats Sep 9th 2013 5:00 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10892914)
Don't know much about Oakville other than its a town off the QEW highway half way to Niagara Falls

Would you know if there is a large or diverse ethnic population mix in Oakville, particularly in the area that you live in - or are there pockets of ethnics in and around the areas of Oakville, if so what types of folks live in Oakville?

After I posted - I did a Wiki from 2011 ... does this still hold true?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakvill...o#Demographics

Oakville used to be a major harbour and so a landing place for many escaped slaves using the Underground Railroad. You would never know this from visiting the place.

Any Known Blood by Lawrence Hill is a wonderful book about this.

dbd33 Sep 9th 2013 5:18 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10892914)
Would you know if there is a large or diverse ethnic population mix in Oakville

On the off chance that you're not joking here; no, there is not.

orly Sep 9th 2013 6:16 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10892957)
On the off chance that you're not joking here; no, there is not.

In 10 or 15 yrs it might be a different story.

montreal mike Sep 9th 2013 6:18 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 
simple question, I hope:

does anyone know why multiculturalism is a relative non issue in this country?.

yet in England , France, Germany, perhaps even Italy, it seems to not be working that well

orly Sep 9th 2013 6:19 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 10893060)
simple question, I hope:

does anyone know why multiculturalism is a relative non issue in this country?.

yet in England , France, Germany, perhaps even Italy, it seems to not be working that well

It doesn't actually work that well here either. People just tend not to mention it as vocally.

Oakvillian Sep 9th 2013 6:23 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 10892914)
Don't know much about Oakville other than its a town off the QEW highway half way to Niagara Falls

Would you know if there is a large or diverse ethnic population mix in Oakville, particularly in the area that you live in - or are there pockets of ethnics in and around the areas of Oakville, if so what types of folks live in Oakville?

After I posted - I did a Wiki from 2011 ... does this still hold true?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakvill...o#Demographics


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10892957)
On the off chance that you're not joking here; no, there is not.

Oakville is not known for its ethnic diversity, no. I'd hazard a guess that it's one of the most "ethnically homogeneous" (read "white European") municipalities in the GTA. There are small populations of South Asian (mainly Indian and Sri Lankan) and East Asian (Korean and Chinese), and a slack handful of Afro-Carribean families. Very few of these are first-generation immigrants; of that small group, fewer still are in the "old" parts (i.e. south of the QEW) of town.

Having said that, there is an increasing ethnic diversity over the last few years. My kids' schoolfriends are a more diverse group today than they were even half a dozen years ago. It is still noticeably apparent, though, in children's extracurricular activities (especially those with a whiff of middle-class parenting about them, such as choral or orchestral music, horse-riding, sailing...) that the overwhelming majority of participants are culturally and ethnically similar.

In my street, of around 20 houses, in terms of visible minorities we have a Trinidadian family (he's a retired family doctor, she a schoolteacher) and a Goan couple (both work in banking). All the rest are white, about half are Canadian for generations, and the remainder are incomers from UK, Sweden, Portugal, Denmark, Italy, the US...

montreal mike Sep 9th 2013 6:27 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by orly (Post 10893064)
It doesn't actually work that well here either. People just tend not to mention it as vocally.

it would be interesting to hear from others here, whether they agree or not with your comment

dbd33 Sep 9th 2013 6:35 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 10893079)
it would be interesting to hear from others here, whether they agree or not with your comment

I disagree and wonder in what way it is suggested that it doesn't work.

Shard Sep 9th 2013 6:44 am

Re: multiculturalism in Canada
 

Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 10893079)
it would be interesting to hear from others here, whether they agree or not with your comment

It depends how you define "working".


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