MP's expenses
Apr 29th 2011, 4:20 pm
#17
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Re: MP's expenses
And here's another unchecked email from the same source:
For all those who think the Sun shines out of Jack's bottom end....
The basic facts are as follows.
Layton and his wife Olivia Chow both sat on Toronto City Council for years before making the move to federal politics. While on City Council, they were making $100,000 a year. They used a fraudulent scheme to get into subsidized housing. What they did was register the house in the name of Chow's mother who was an unemployed immigrant. In this way, they lived for years in a taxpayer funded house while being paid $100,000 yearly from taxpayers. They only moved when a reporter exposed the story.
The real irony is that Chow styled herself as an advocate for the homeless on City Council.
It astounds me that the media never mention this. It was theft, pure and simple.
Today, Layton and Chow earn $350,000 together as MPs. They each get a housing allowance for living in Ottawa although they live together. According to House of Commons records for 2010, they spent one million dollars last year on travel and perks. Because they're MP's there is no detail. When asked, Layton said that most of it was for travel back to Toronto to visit their constituents. That comes out to $20,000 a week for travel. Toronto is 300 miles from Ottawa . Again, it's theft, pure and simple.
But speaking of simple, NDP loyalists see Jack and Olivia as the working man's friends. The simplistic media play up this image. Simplistic Canadians give Jack a free ride on trust.
Now the other night during the big debate Jack had the nerve to say we don't need more jails because all the crooks are already in the Senate. I think we better make Jack a Senator!
For all those who think the Sun shines out of Jack's bottom end....
The basic facts are as follows.
Layton and his wife Olivia Chow both sat on Toronto City Council for years before making the move to federal politics. While on City Council, they were making $100,000 a year. They used a fraudulent scheme to get into subsidized housing. What they did was register the house in the name of Chow's mother who was an unemployed immigrant. In this way, they lived for years in a taxpayer funded house while being paid $100,000 yearly from taxpayers. They only moved when a reporter exposed the story.
The real irony is that Chow styled herself as an advocate for the homeless on City Council.
It astounds me that the media never mention this. It was theft, pure and simple.
Today, Layton and Chow earn $350,000 together as MPs. They each get a housing allowance for living in Ottawa although they live together. According to House of Commons records for 2010, they spent one million dollars last year on travel and perks. Because they're MP's there is no detail. When asked, Layton said that most of it was for travel back to Toronto to visit their constituents. That comes out to $20,000 a week for travel. Toronto is 300 miles from Ottawa . Again, it's theft, pure and simple.
But speaking of simple, NDP loyalists see Jack and Olivia as the working man's friends. The simplistic media play up this image. Simplistic Canadians give Jack a free ride on trust.
Now the other night during the big debate Jack had the nerve to say we don't need more jails because all the crooks are already in the Senate. I think we better make Jack a Senator!
Nonetheless, the piece above, like the previous one, misrepresents the facts and appears to offer a contrast with the Conservative Party when none exists.
This is wrong:
"They used a fraudulent scheme to get into subsidized housing."
Coops are not subsidised. Residence in a Coop is not contigent upon the place of residence of one's mother-in-law. No theft involved.
Lies, bile and derivative of American politics. But then you know it's not true.
Apr 29th 2011, 4:22 pm
#18
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Re: MP's expenses
http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/27/democracy-harper-style/
Apr 29th 2011, 4:25 pm
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Re: MP's expenses
Understand that I hate Jack Layton personally, if I saw him in the street I would spit on him in some small measure of retalitation for the harm he did during his years in power. I think he has sticky fingers and would no more trust him with something important than I would Steven Harper.
Nonetheless, the piece above, like the previous one, misrepresents the facts and appears to offer a contrast with the Conservative Party when none exists.
This is wrong:
"They used a fraudulent scheme to get into subsidized housing."
Coops are not subsidised. Residence in a Coop is not contigent upon the place of residence of one's mother-in-law. No theft involved.
Lies, bile and derivative of American politics. But then you know it's not true.
Nonetheless, the piece above, like the previous one, misrepresents the facts and appears to offer a contrast with the Conservative Party when none exists.
This is wrong:
"They used a fraudulent scheme to get into subsidized housing."
Coops are not subsidised. Residence in a Coop is not contigent upon the place of residence of one's mother-in-law. No theft involved.
Lies, bile and derivative of American politics. But then you know it's not true.
Apr 29th 2011, 5:29 pm
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Re: MP's expenses
well I don't have your email and I haven't read all of this article, it was posted as a link on FB.
http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/27/democracy-harper-style/
http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/27/democracy-harper-style/
Sort of sums up my sentiments toward Mr. Harper.
Apr 29th 2011, 5:41 pm
#21
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Re: MP's expenses
well I don't have your email and I haven't read all of this article, it was posted as a link on FB.
http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/27/democracy-harper-style/
http://ipolitics.ca/2011/04/27/democracy-harper-style/
“Harper is on a course towards a very authoritarian populist government appealing over the heads of Parliament to the people with an enormous public-relations machine. The appeal is to the less educated and less sophisticated parts of society.”
Apr 29th 2011, 5:51 pm
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Re: MP's expenses
Why is it, I wonder, that those with a liberal/socialist bent always assume that those that don't agree with them are not intelligent?:
“Harper is on a course towards a very authoritarian populist government appealing over the heads of Parliament to the people with an enormous public-relations machine. The appeal is to the less educated and less sophisticated parts of society.”
“Harper is on a course towards a very authoritarian populist government appealing over the heads of Parliament to the people with an enormous public-relations machine. The appeal is to the less educated and less sophisticated parts of society.”
I dont think Ive ever questioned the intelligence of those that dont agree. The morality and concience perhaps, but not the intelligence
There certainly doesn't seem to be any monopoly on insulting the intelligence of the voter on either side of the political divide in my opinion.
Last edited by iaink; Apr 29th 2011 at 5:53 pm.
Apr 29th 2011, 5:58 pm
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Re: MP's expenses
Understand that I hate Jack Layton personally, if I saw him in the street I would spit on him in some small measure of retalitation for the harm he did during his years in power. I think he has sticky fingers and would no more trust him with something important than I would Steven Harper.
Nonetheless, the piece above, like the previous one, misrepresents the facts and appears to offer a contrast with the Conservative Party when none exists.
This is wrong:
"They used a fraudulent scheme to get into subsidized housing."
Coops are not subsidised. Residence in a Coop is not contigent upon the place of residence of one's mother-in-law. No theft involved.
Lies, bile and derivative of American politics. But then you know it's not true.
Nonetheless, the piece above, like the previous one, misrepresents the facts and appears to offer a contrast with the Conservative Party when none exists.
This is wrong:
"They used a fraudulent scheme to get into subsidized housing."
Coops are not subsidised. Residence in a Coop is not contigent upon the place of residence of one's mother-in-law. No theft involved.
Lies, bile and derivative of American politics. But then you know it's not true.
Apr 29th 2011, 6:09 pm
#24
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Its a bit of a leap to say all those with a liberal/ socialist bent say that. Its just one persons blog aint it?
I dont think Ive ever questioned the intelligence of those that dont agree. The morality and concience perhaps, but not the intelligence
There certainly doesn't seem to be any monopoly on insulting the intelligence of the voter on either side of the political divide in my opinion.
I dont think Ive ever questioned the intelligence of those that dont agree. The morality and concience perhaps, but not the intelligence
There certainly doesn't seem to be any monopoly on insulting the intelligence of the voter on either side of the political divide in my opinion.
I should have been more specific, those with such a bent on this forum appear to believe that those that don't agree with their voting preferences lack intelligence or sophistication
Apr 29th 2011, 6:12 pm
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Are you refering to the NDP, whose spending plans traditionally never have to add up because they have never before been in danger of actually having to carry them out, or the conservatives who seem happy to commit unspecified Billions to buy stealth fighters for prices that no one outside the conservative caucus seems to think make any sense, or super prisons that dont seem to have a price tag at all?
Last edited by iaink; Apr 29th 2011 at 6:14 pm.
May 1st 2011, 7:08 pm
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Re: MP's expenses
I don't know if this is true or not?
Everyone should know about these figures before they go to cast their vote.
For those who pride themselves on their ability to separate needs from wants,
and have not been insolvent, Harper has proven to be a competent leader as
shown by the following expenses claimed by various MP's.
For the most recent 12 month on-line report on MP expenses (excluding salaries) here is a sample:
NDP
Jack Layton $628,913
Olivia Chow $530,304 ( Jack's wife!)
Megan Leslie $502,279
Pat Martin $508,773
LIBERAL
Michael Ignatieff $570,984
CONSERVATIVE
Steven Harper $281,255
Peter MacKay $392,660.
The highest expense claim award goes to Jack Layton , leader of the NDP, followed by Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Liberals. Just think how much more these two could suck out of taxpayers if they ever got into power! Jack & Olivia (one family) managed to take over one million dollars in expenses in a 12 month period out of the public purse! Jack should ask Sheila Fraser the Auditor General to legitimize these exhorbitant "expenses" submitted by NDP members. Don't forget, these expenses are in addition to a MINIMUM of $147,700 per MP in salary dollars.!
Everyone should know about these figures before they go to cast their vote.
For those who pride themselves on their ability to separate needs from wants,
and have not been insolvent, Harper has proven to be a competent leader as
shown by the following expenses claimed by various MP's.
For the most recent 12 month on-line report on MP expenses (excluding salaries) here is a sample:
NDP
Jack Layton $628,913
Olivia Chow $530,304 ( Jack's wife!)
Megan Leslie $502,279
Pat Martin $508,773
LIBERAL
Michael Ignatieff $570,984
CONSERVATIVE
Steven Harper $281,255
Peter MacKay $392,660.
The highest expense claim award goes to Jack Layton , leader of the NDP, followed by Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Liberals. Just think how much more these two could suck out of taxpayers if they ever got into power! Jack & Olivia (one family) managed to take over one million dollars in expenses in a 12 month period out of the public purse! Jack should ask Sheila Fraser the Auditor General to legitimize these exhorbitant "expenses" submitted by NDP members. Don't forget, these expenses are in addition to a MINIMUM of $147,700 per MP in salary dollars.!
As for Jack and Olivia, not for nothing are they called the Duke and Duchess of downtown Toronto.
The marker I always lay down when considering a politician's appeal for my vote is simple: have you ever had a job? Ed Broadbent was at university until he was thirty, after which he went straight into parliament-I was still in high school. Jack Layton-another perpetual politician.
How any politician who has never experienced the reality of the daily life of those they seek to govern can claim to have their interests at heart makes me barf. Look at the profiles of all the politicians in parliament-are there any welders, shop assistants, engineers, carpenters, bus drivers-you get the picture? Sadly most are career politicians, no different from those of old who seemed to think they ruled by divine right.
A pox on them all.
May 1st 2011, 8:11 pm
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Re: MP's expenses
The marker I always lay down when considering a politician's appeal for my vote is simple: have you ever had a job? Ed Broadbent was at university until he was thirty, after which he went straight into parliament-I was still in high school. Jack Layton-another perpetual politician.
Layton has a PhD from York (Political Science) and worked also as a professor at Ryerson before being elected to Toronto City Council.
Harper has a degree from somewhere or other in economics, but has never had a job outside of politics.
May 3rd 2011, 1:27 am
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Re: MP's expenses
I've never heard of them being called that.
Ignatieff has worked as a journalist, foreign correspondent, broadcaster, and as a professor at a small US university.
Layton has a PhD from York (Political Science) and worked also as a professor at Ryerson before being elected to Toronto City Council.
Harper has a degree from somewhere or other in economics, but has never had a job outside of politics.
Ignatieff has worked as a journalist, foreign correspondent, broadcaster, and as a professor at a small US university.
Layton has a PhD from York (Political Science) and worked also as a professor at Ryerson before being elected to Toronto City Council.
Harper has a degree from somewhere or other in economics, but has never had a job outside of politics.
When I talk about a job, I mean one that requires getting up at 5.30 am everyday and subjecting oneself to the discipline of the work and market place. Perhaps if they had, they and their ilk would understand the real concerns of regular folk.
May 3rd 2011, 1:40 am
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Well, I did say a pox on them all. I am sure most readers would understand that although Ignatieff, Harper and Layton can claim to have secured paying employment, it was as members of the administrator class whom I believe have ill-served us.
When I talk about a job, I mean one that requires getting up at 5.30 am everyday and subjecting oneself to the discipline of the work and market place. Perhaps if they had, they and their ilk would understand the real concerns of regular folk.
When I talk about a job, I mean one that requires getting up at 5.30 am everyday and subjecting oneself to the discipline of the work and market place. Perhaps if they had, they and their ilk would understand the real concerns of regular folk.
