TruBrit

[QUOTE=NSpaul;5331127]living as a Brit abroad, the shame that goes with being loosely associated to a "mother country" that fails to deal with it or try and fix it.
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i take it then that you have relinquished your UK passport

steve666

Could you not spell Hartlepool?
(Edited)

Paul Wildy

its funny you should say that. At the moment I can't because it has my PR visa in it, but once I qualify for Canadian citizenship and can get a proper passport I will hold some sort of ritual burning ceremony (or just sell it on the black market)

MikeUK

Yes.. and that yob culture is not that different from the yob culture I was part of many years ago...
I remember the football hooligans that ran riot in the streets of Britain when pubs had to close up on match day…
The mindless “mod” violence that recreated gangs on mopeds after the film Quadrophenia a was released
The drunken brawls that would happened outside the working men’s clubs every Friday and Saturday night
The mindless violence during the miners strike and the poll tax riots

Please tell me how it’s got worse…. When I was working their 4 and 5 years ago and when I last visited last year it was still much better and safer than when I was a teenager

Paul Wildy

So other than all those historical incidents described in your post above, plus the more recent as reported by the press, you don't think there is problem? No societal breakdown? Just run of the mill stuff that happens everywhere regardless of where you live?

Fair enough, have it your own way.

MikeUK

Same old shit that has always filled the pages of the daily mail
with public still reacting to it in the same old way

Paul Wildy

which bit specifically did you feel sounded like "gloating"?

MikeUK

I did a quick check to see if the hysteria that pervades this site has any justification, the doom and gloom that the UK is becoming as opposed to its former glory that everybody but me seems to remember

I think the number that hit home was that violent crime in the UK has dropped by 43 % since 1995
http://www.esrcsocietytoday.ac.uk/ES...cePageId=18134

hot wasabi peas

Please read my post (#32) in this thread posted more than two years ago in which I mention witnessing people pissing on other people who are down on their luck.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...ectable&page=3

Am I ashamed to be Canadian because of that? No. Harper and the ****wits who elected him tick that box.

iaink

Is it real though, or have people just given up reporting trivial nastyness on the grounds that the cops have no time to do anything about it anyway? Perhaps the government has redefined it or something? Im not saying they have, just that its dangerous to go by statistics alone in the face of public opinion, given the propensity for those in power to try and fix them to make things appear better.

Paul Wildy

But the first line says "Between 2005 and 2006 there were approximately 2,349,000 violent incidences in England and Wales, according to the British Crime Survey (BCS). "

That doesn't sound like a figure to be proud of, get out yer Union Jack flag and start playing Rule Britannia to me! Nearly 2.5 million violent incidents!

And then it says that only 45% of violent crime gets reported!!! So its really much worse!!!!!!!

And plus tha chart on which you base your 43% decline actually shows an overall upward trend - it was just that the year 1995 was one of the peaks. Its increased steadily over time. See picture below.

So you say things about the UK like "its former glory that everybody but me seems to remember" and yet your previous post you describe a horrific pattern of violence and yobishness that you yourself say you experienced. So, with respect, what the **** are you talking about?

MikeUK

I’d like to point out that a better read of the article may help with your case

Between 2005 and 2006 there were approximately 2,349,000 violent incidences in England and Wales

In the same period, the number of violent crimes reported to the police stood at 1,056,000

indicating that approximately only 45 per cent of violent crime gets reported

However your response would indicate you’d prefer the sensationalism of the daily mail than that dealing with an independent body’s assessment of the state of affairs

I think that 2,349,000 violent instances in a population of 60,587,000 for a G8 nation isn’t bad, assuming that each incident was for a different person each time you have a 3.8% chance of being involved
In reality we know that the more likely case is that many of these will involve the same people so the exposure rate is much lower
Now I'll admit when I looked at that chart is seems to me to be trending back to the 1981 level or at least showing a consistent drop since the peak in 1995

boxerdog03

Thats a bit of a generalization isn't it? I'm a mental health nurse and know that my clients would be appalled by that persons behavior.

I would suggest you research what exactly mental illness consists of before you express your narrow minded views:curse:.

bazzz

When did nurses start having clients? My parents were both nurses (my dad was a CPN) and they only ever had patients.

mclauchlan35

What a disgusting act, whats wrong with these people. I hope he gets a long sentence, although I fear it will be some short sentence probably end up 3 months. Make you sick.