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Moved: Proud to be British....
NOT!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7002627.stm With acts like this going on it really is a wonder that the Brits don't a much more hostile reception everywhere they go. What kind of society would make somebody think that it was okay (or even funny or worth filming) to do something like that. |
Re: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by NSpaul
(Post 5330255)
What kind of society would make somebody think that it was okay (or even funny or worth filming) to do something like that.
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Gobsmaked:blink:
What the **** is going on that people not only behave like that, but film it too:( |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by NSpaul
(Post 5330255)
With acts like this going on it really is a wonder that the Brits don't a much more hostile reception everywhere they go. What kind of society would make somebody think that it was okay (or even funny or worth filming) to do something like that.
Anderson had smoked a cannabis joint and been drinking when he and two friends spotted her. |
Re: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by Biiiiink
(Post 5330269)
Society doesn't think that. I don't see what any of the link has to do with Britishness?
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Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by NSpaul
(Post 5330255)
NOT!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7002627.stm With acts like this going on it really is a wonder that the Brits don't a much more hostile reception everywhere they go. What kind of society would make somebody think that it was okay (or even funny or worth filming) to do something like that. |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by bazzz
(Post 5330291)
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How do you know the guy in Hartlepool isn't mentally ill?
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Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by bazzz
(Post 5330354)
How do you know the guy in Hartlepool isn't mentally ill?
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Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by NSpaul
(Post 5330255)
NOT!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7002627.stm With acts like this going on it really is a wonder that the Brits don't a much more hostile reception everywhere they go. What kind of society would make somebody think that it was okay (or even funny or worth filming) to do something like that. |
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This has nothing to do with being British, and I'll be the first person to point out this country's problems. Just because this happened in Britain does not mean that it's a breakdown in society. Every country has its own problems - America has a high gun crime rate, yet I don't think, "I'm going to get shot" every time I'm in the company of a Yank. Nor do I suppose that people are now going to think that British people are going to start pissing on them.
Yes, this guy is an utter scumbag, but I fail to see how this reflects badly on our society. |
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Whats even more alarming/upseting is that his friends watched and videoed it, according to the Sunderland Echo some women arrived as well and they all laughed.
Why arent these people being prosecuted as well?? Is there nothing they can be charged with? |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by daft batty
(Post 5330424)
Why arent these people being prosecuted as well?? Is there nothing they can be charged with?
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Re: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 5330275)
Gobsmaked:blink:
What the **** is going on that people not only behave like that, but film it too:( "The 27-year-old shouted "this is YouTube material" as he degraded Christine Lakinski, 50, who had fallen ill" As Biiiink was saying, this has nothing to do with Britishness; it could've been any feeble-minded individual, from any society that considers "being on the telly/YouTube/you-name-it" the greatest thing one can achieve in a lifetime. Morality? Decency? Humanity? Dude, this is YouTube material, yo!... |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by bazzz
(Post 5330432)
I don't think "being Northern" is a crime. Yet.
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Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by Chippers
(Post 5330409)
...but I fail to see how this reflects badly on our society.
Originally Posted by daft batty
(Post 5330424)
Whats even more alarming/upseting is that his friends watched and videoed it, according to the Sunderland Echo some women arrived as well and they all laughed.
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Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Oh come on, one incident and suddenly society is to blame? Worse things happen all over the world, but instead you've chosen to focus on this one isolated incident and make out that we're the only Country where things are going wrong.
Sorry, but it's not the case. No country is perfect - and you get scum bags like these people living everywhere. |
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Originally Posted by Biiiiink
(Post 5330269)
Society doesn't think that. I don't see what any of the link has to do with Britishness?
granted none involed people dying, but i can think of many things just as bad.. the whole mentally of people these days in the uk is appalling. even respectable people are getting as bad in a lot of ways.. |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by Chippers
(Post 5330675)
Oh come on, one incident and suddenly society is to blame? Worse things happen all over the world, but instead you've chosen to focus on this one isolated incident and make out that we're the only Country where things are going wrong.
Sorry, but it's not the case. No country is perfect - and you get scum bags like these people living everywhere. |
Re: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by Kittykerr
(Post 5330682)
as a person who has just left the uk police i can tell you things equal to this happen all the time in the UK now, i think you got out at the right time. i know i am...
granted none involed people dying, but i can think of many things just as bad.. the whole mentally of people these days in the uk is appalling. even respectable people are getting as bad in a lot of ways.. |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
So regardless of where (and thankfully it doesnt happen anywhere near where I live...muggings are still newsworthy in the eyes of my local radio station and newspaper), why do people behave like this now? Surely this kind of terribly sad, antisocial stuff used to be increadibly rare.
Perhaps the worst thing about this case was it was hardly even shocking anymore. |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 5330734)
So regardless of where (and thankfully it doesnt happen anywhere near where I live...muggings are still newsworthy in the eyes of my local radio station and newspaper), why do people behave like this now? Surely this kind of terribly sad, antisocial stuff used to be increadibly rare.
Perhaps the worst thing about this case was it was hardly even shocking anymore. People can say what they like but I do think things are getting worse and I do also think that Britain seems to play host to the majority of extremely depraved and ant-social incidents like this. |
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Originally Posted by NSpaul
(Post 5330772)
People can say what they like but I do think things are getting worse and I do also think that Britain seems to play host to the majority of extremely depraved and ant-social incidents like this.
For depravity consider the states and provinces that tolerate raping of teenage girls thinly disguised as traditional religion, or a nation to the south of us that can leave the whole population of a city in the lurch because of their skin colour, or for that matter the nation to the north of them who have left their indigenous population to slide into poverty and drugs whist leaving them in areas that can’t even provide them with clean water North America is very good at creating pockets of isolation so the shit doesn’t show |
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 5330853)
Oh come on ... take one long look at where we live...
For depravity consider the states and provinces that tolerate raping of teenage girls thinly disguised as traditional religion, or a nation to the south of us that can leave the whole population of a city in the lurch because of their skin colour, or for that matter the nation to the north of them who have left their indigenous population to slide into poverty and drugs whist leaving them in areas that can’t even provide them with clean water North America is very good at creating pockets of isolation so the shit doesn’t show What on earth is going on inside someones head when they chose to piss on someone who is in need of assistance and in no state to defend themselves...and why do they think its a larf to film it and put it on the internet. I just cant get my head around it. |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by iaink
(Post 5330869)
Im not sure its fair to compare mass actions of indifference on a political or socioeconomic level to individual acts of brazen callousness and inhumanity...
What on earth is going on inside someones head when they chose to piss on someone who is in need of assistance and in no state to defend themselves...and why do they think its a larf to film it and put it on the internet. I just cant get my head around it. here in north America we have whole communities that fit the bill, and its tolerated by the local populations and the governments. Something that would not be the case in Europe Or more to the point for those that think Canada is so wonderful may do well to have a look at our local dirty laundry before getting to enthusiastic about showing the dirty laundry of the UK as some form of justification for their decision to leave |
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 5330915)
My comment is really aimed at suggesting that even though in the UK we may have a few despicable people who really have no place in society
here in north America we have whole communities that fit the bill, and its tolerated by the local populations and the governments. Something that would not be the case in Europe Or more to the point for those that think Canada is so wonderful may do well to have a look at our local dirty laundry before getting to enthusiastic about showing the dirty laundry of the UK as some form of justification for their decision to leave |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 5330915)
...Or more to the point for those that think Canada is so wonderful may do well to have a look at our local dirty laundry before getting to enthusiastic about showing the dirty laundry of the UK as some form of justification for their decision to leave
You can't honestly tell me that you haven't come accross the term "yob culture" or read about the very real problems that are being experienced in towns and cities all across britain "after hours" associated with excessive drinking, drugs, general antisocial behaviour and unprovoked violence? If you are saying you aren't aware of a problem you have your head well and truly burried in the sand. And the worrying thing is there is a growing number of incidents in say the last 3-4 years where the usual anti-social behaviour is resulting in more serious outcomes such as death. |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by NSpaul
(Post 5331127)
living as a Brit abroad, the shame that goes with being loosely associated to a "mother country" that fails to deal with it or try and fix it.
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I imagine there's a palpable sense of disappointment with the usual suspects that the accused in this case has such a British name.
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[QUOTE=NSpaul;5331127]living as a Brit abroad, the shame that goes with being loosely associated to a "mother country" that fails to deal with it or try and fix it.
QUOTE] i take it then that you have relinquished your UK passport :sneaky: |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by hot wasabi peas
(Post 5330376)
Maybe he was a Canadian expat living in Hartlepool.
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Originally Posted by TruBrit
(Post 5331163)
i take it then that you have relinquished your UK passport :sneaky:
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Originally Posted by NSpaul
(Post 5331127)
You can't honestly tell me that you haven't come accross the term "yob culture" or read about the very real problems that are being experienced in towns and cities all across britain "after hours" associated with excessive drinking, drugs, general antisocial behaviour and unprovoked violence? If you are saying you aren't aware of a problem you have your head well and truly burried in the sand. And the worrying thing is there is a growing number of incidents in say the last 3-4 years where the usual anti-social behaviour is resulting in more serious outcomes such as death.
I remember the football hooligans that ran riot in the streets of Britain when pubs had to close up on match day… The mindless “mod†violence that recreated gangs on mopeds after the film Quadrophenia a was released The drunken brawls that would happened outside the working men’s clubs every Friday and Saturday night The mindless violence during the miners strike and the poll tax riots Please tell me how it’s got worse…. When I was working their 4 and 5 years ago and when I last visited last year it was still much better and safer than when I was a teenager |
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 5331201)
Yes.. and that yob culture is not that different from the yob culture I was part of many years ago...
I remember the football hooligans that ran riot in the streets of Britain when pubs had to close up on match day… The mindless “mod†violence that recreated gangs on mopeds after the film Quadrophenia a was released The drunken brawls that would happened outside the working men’s clubs every Friday and Saturday night The mindless violence during the miners strike and the poll tax riots Fair enough, have it your own way. |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by NSpaul
(Post 5331227)
So other than all those historical incidents described in your post above, plus the more recent as reported by the press, you don't think there is problem? No societal breakdown? Just run of the mill stuff that happens everywhere regardless of where you live?
Fair enough. with public still reacting to it in the same old way |
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Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 5331144)
Come off it, it's just another "UK gone to the dogs I'm better off in the back of beyond" gloating thread.
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Originally Posted by NSpaul
(Post 5331227)
, plus the more recent as reported by the press, you don't think there is problem? No societal breakdown? .
I think the number that hit home was that violent crime in the UK has dropped by 43 % since 1995 http://www.esrcsocietytoday.ac.uk/ES...cePageId=18134 |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by NSpaul
(Post 5330255)
NOT!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7002627.stm With acts like this going on it really is a wonder that the Brits don't a much more hostile reception everywhere they go. What kind of society would make somebody think that it was okay (or even funny or worth filming) to do something like that. Please read my post (#32) in this thread posted more than two years ago in which I mention witnessing people pissing on other people who are down on their luck. http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...ectable&page=3 Am I ashamed to be Canadian because of that? No. Harper and the ****wits who elected him tick that box. |
Re: Moved: Proud to be British....
Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 5331278)
I think the number that hit home was that violent crime in the UK has dropped by 43 % since 1995 http://www.esrcsocietytoday.ac.uk/ES...cePageId=18134 |
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