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More terrorism in UK
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3 terrorists shot dead within 8 minutes of the 1st call. Excellent response from the London Met.
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now 6 dead, plus the 3 terrorists, and about 30 in hospitals around London
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Stop it. Just stop, what's the point of this thread? The news is out there for us to read.
Just, enough. Stop. |
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Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12265513)
...what's the point of this thread?...
I consider myself to be fairly aware of things but this happened just after 10.00pm UK time (6.00pm my time) and I didn't see anything until over four hours later despite being on my laptop with the Guardian as my home page. Although I wasn't watching TV (not on the TV anyway, I was watching House of Cards on Netflix) but others in the house were and nobody saw anything about it. We on BE are mostly from the UK. I don't see any harm in putting it out there for those who may also not have heard. |
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First I heard about it was when my girlfriend asked "what's happened in London" at around 9:30 last night. I replied "huh?" and popped off for a quick look as I didn't have a clue.
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Some horrific eyewitness accounts now being appearing on the news. The police certainly seemed to have done an excellent job in managing the situation and 'neutralising' the problem.
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Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12265513)
Stop it. Just stop, what's the point of this thread? The news is out there for us to read.
Just, enough. Stop. |
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12265747)
Many threads on BE are arguably pointless. Just ignore them, don't participate in them.
Shard's interesting link . |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12265748)
Yes. For example if there's no thread, where could we post a link such as this: ....
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Link ok for me, guy running away still holding his pint
It's time the UK had the Army out on all the bridges patrolling and protecting British citizens from this senseless carnage |
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
(Post 12265770)
Link ok for me, guy running away still holding his pint
It's time the UK had the Army out on all the bridges patrolling and protecting British citizens from this senseless carnage I don't think the army can do that much, more of an intelligence issue. |
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I liked the picture of the man running with a pint glass in his hand ............ it said he hadn't spilled one drop.
I also liked the story of the policeman who went after the attackers armed only with his baton. He was stabbed, but I understand he will recover. Why did I like those two?? Because to me, they exemplify the spirit that used to be in Britain, and one that sometimes seems to have been lost! |
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Once the perps are identified, wonder if it will turn out that they were 'on the radar but not considered an imminent threat' by the British security community? How can such individuals be secured? Well, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. On the Radar? Internment sounds a possible solution for such individuals. Draconian? Perhaps but public safety should be paramount. The PC gloves must come off....enough is enough. Draft the legislation and let's get on with it. Too many of these bastards have been 'on' the radar but not considered an immenent threat' and have turned out to be exactly that. Won't go down well with many I am sure but something has to change regarding how much tolerance is afforded to such individuals.
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Originally Posted by macadian
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Once the perps are identified, wonder if it will turn out that they were 'on the radar but not considered an imminent threat' by the British security community? How can such individuals be secured? ....
Well, you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. On the Radar? Internment sounds a possible solution for such individuals. Draconian? Perhaps but public safety should be paramount. The PC gloves must come off....enough is enough. Draft the legislation and let's get on with it. Too many of these bastards have been 'on' the radar but not considered an immenent threat' and have turned out to be exactly that. Won't go down well with many I am sure but something has to change regarding how much tolerance is afforded to such individuals. |
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....not G bay, too nice....but South Georgia, South Atlantic.
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Originally Posted by Yorkiechef
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....not G bay, too nice....but South Georgia, South Atlantic.
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To continue something discussed last time...
From today's Guardian: Faith leaders and representatives of civic and community groups came together under the banner of “One London One Community†at the East London mosque to condemn Saturday’s attack and call for unity. Muhammad Habibur-Rahman, the mosque’s chair, said Londoners were united against “those who try to divide usâ€. He described the perpetrators as “evil terrorists†who espoused a “twisted narrative and perversion of the religion of Islamâ€. The mosque had stopped extremists at the door, he said, but they “continue to harass out worshippersâ€. He added: "Their hatred of mainstream Muslims rivals that of the extreme right." Mehri Niknam of the Joseph Interfaith Foundation, which comprises Jews and Muslims, welcomed condemnations of recent attacks but added: "To condemn is only half way. We must also actively confront loudly and clearly." |
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Meanwhile in reality, let's set up some more faith schools to bring people together.
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I discovered yesterday that my ex-wife got caught up in all that. She was on a night out in a bar in Borough (ended up locked in the kitchen - took her drink with her!). Had she popped out for a smoke a couple of minutes later than she did, she would, apparently have found herself facing a bloke with a big knife (who appeared outside the bar).
She later, apparently, gave grief to a guy in the street who was berating a black guy and telling him to "go back where her came from". Not sure I believe that bit. From what I remember of my ex, she is prone to panic. She certainly sounded shaken when I spoke with her last night. |
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
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Imams refuse funeral prayers to 'indefensible' London Bridge attackers.
More than 130 religious leaders use unusual sanction to express disgust at murders ‘contravening Islam’ and vow to root out extremism. |
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Originally Posted by Pulaski
(Post 12268101)
A long over-due course of action.
the traditional Islamic prayer – a ritual normally performed for every Muslim regardless of their actions Not being flippant...just wondering if it might make some less likely to do these things. |
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12268123)
If it's not done, does it mean they don't qualify for the virgins?
Not being flippant...just wondering if it might make some less likely to do these things. |
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There doesn't seem to be a doctrine of forgiveness in operation in Islam. Perhaps the Christians should step in, they're big on turning the other cheek.
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Injuries Reported After Vehicle Hits Pedestrians In London | HuffPost
Jeesh!! Again in London, maybe revenge attack, muslims leaving a Mosque we're targeted http://theliberal.ie/breaking-a-van-...evenge-attack/ |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12268312)
There doesn't seem to be a doctrine of forgiveness in operation in Islam. Perhaps the Christians should step in, they're big on turning the other cheek.
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Originally Posted by bats
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And your knowledge of Islam is based on the actions of an End of Days Islamist cult?
Perhaps if it were a Christian terrorist, the worthy church ministers and bishops would also be hypocritical enough to deny him/her a burial. Who knows. That was my point. There is no shortage of hypocrisy and irrationality in either of these two nonsensical faiths. |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12276821)
My point was that both religions are ridiculous. I don't have an in-depth knowledge of the Islam virus, however, the the actions of over hundred Islamic leaders who refuse to bury one of their dead (albeit wicked terrorists) suggest that there is no principle of forgiveness, as their is in Christianity.
Perhaps if it were a Christian terrorist, the worthy church ministers and bishops would also be hypocritical enough to deny him/her a burial. Who knows. That was my point. There is no shortage of hypocrisy and irrationality in either of these two nonsensical faiths. |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12276821)
...the actions of over hundred Islamic leaders who refuse to bury one of their dead (albeit wicked terrorists) suggest that there is no principle of forgiveness..
The recent Paris incident didn't seem to get much coverage. Botched or second thoughts from someone not wholly committed? |
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
(Post 12276849)
Maybe the guy who mowed down the muslims the other evening will find Christianity in prison and be forgiven for his sins in the years to come
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 12276871)
Wasn't it not saying prayers rather than not burying them? Or was this some other report? In any case, I thought the fact that it was considered newsworthy was because it was unusual to withhold prayers, further suggesting that normally they did do so.
The recent Paris incident didn't seem to get much coverage. Botched or second thoughts from someone not wholly committed? |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12276821)
My point was that both religions are ridiculous. I don't have an in-depth knowledge of the Islam virus, however, the the actions of over hundred Islamic leaders who refuse to bury one of their dead (albeit wicked terrorists) suggest that there is no principle of forgiveness, as their is in Christianity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salat_al-Janazah What I make of the removal of the prayers, is IMHO a formal denial that they are a Muslim, it's a sort of 'excommunication' by the Imam's for a very big sin ? |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12276875)
It's becoming like gun crime in the US, a fact of life.
Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN.com |
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Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 12277082)
Not quite, in fact there is little comparison.
Guns kill nearly 1,300 US children each year - CNN.com With 2016 over, a toddler has now shot a person every week in the US for two years straight |
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Originally Posted by Stinkypup
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Yes but some avenge their fallen brothers and sisters
With 2016 over, a toddler has now shot a person every week in the US for two years straight |
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Originally Posted by Danny B
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What kind of parent keeps a loaded gun in the house without a trigger lock? Seriously, wtf is wrong with people?
All we need now is a spider letting loose with a sidearm and we will really be in trouble - a Huntsman spider given the name would be the likely suspect :unsure: |
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 12277067)
This Wikipedia guide may help, but the whole prayer thing is very similar to last rites and focuses on forgiveness
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salat_al-Janazah What I make of the removal of the prayers, is IMHO a formal denial that they are a Muslim, it's a sort of 'excommunication' by the Imam's for a very big sin ? UK: Over 130 Imams refuse to perform funeral prayer for London terror attackers - The Muslim NewsThe Muslim News |
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https://www.google.ca/amp/www.dailym...l-station.html
sex offender and ISIS lone solder is no more, at last a happy terror story |
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 12277067)
This Wikipedia guide may help, but the whole prayer thing is very similar to last rites and focuses on forgiveness
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salat_al-Janazah What I make of the removal of the prayers, is IMHO a formal denial that they are a Muslim, it's a sort of 'excommunication' by the Imam's for a very big sin ? Yes, I get their rationale from a 'community' perspective, though technically within Islam their is no power structure which could lead to an 'excommunication'. Out of curiosity, was there any burial denial (etc.) for the IRA terrorists? I can't recall... |
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