Masks
Jun 26th 2021, 1:06 am
#691
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Re: Masks
This is interesting, a comprehensive list with each area and the requirements. Several of the Ontario regions state "There is no need to turn away people not wearing a mask".
https://www.retailcouncil.org/corona...ing-retailers/
this is from the Hamilton Face Coverings and Masks bylaw
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https://www.retailcouncil.org/corona...ing-retailers/
this is from the Hamilton Face Coverings and Masks bylaw
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- Every operator shall take reasonable steps to ensure that no member of the public is permitted entry to, or otherwise remains within, the establishment unless the member of the public is wearing a face covering in a manner which covers their mouth, nose, and chin. This requirement shall not apply to members of the public that state that they fall within an exemption of this By-law or appear to fall within one of the exemptions.
- Every operator shall ensure that any person who refuses to comply with the requirements of this By-law is promptly asked to leave their establishment and is reported to authorized staff upon failure to comply with this direction.
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Jun 26th 2021, 1:52 am
#692
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Re: Masks
Seems to me that if we are moving away from the "mask mandate" then there should be universal acceptance that it is no longer a must do BUT should an individual feel safer wearing one then it's ok too. I can see there being many more interactions now between businesses and public as some will no doubt still ask customers to wear one and some of those customers may not be happy. Also those wearing them may get comments and or those not wearing them. By removing the specific mandate we will be leaving it wide open to the publics own thoughts and the businesses that want the public to visit them.
Now Tamm has come out and said masks aren't required for 2 shot people BUT they may be a good idea in crowded settings or if you have immune issues. I can see it getting very confusing for some and frustrating too for those businesses that want to maintain a safe environment for customers and staff yet are eager to get back to normality and not have to reprimand people for not following orders.
Now Tamm has come out and said masks aren't required for 2 shot people BUT they may be a good idea in crowded settings or if you have immune issues. I can see it getting very confusing for some and frustrating too for those businesses that want to maintain a safe environment for customers and staff yet are eager to get back to normality and not have to reprimand people for not following orders.
Jun 26th 2021, 2:11 am
#693
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Location: Red Deer, Alberta
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Re: Masks
As of July 1st Alberta is lifting restrictions. No masks, no reduced capacity etc. It seems a bot bizarre to me to do everything at once but Stampede is just around the corner and that must go ahead.
currently we are one of the only my restaurants in town that is still taking names and phone numbers for contact tracing. We have yet to hear from the owner or head office what our protocols will be.
I think it should be no capacity limitations but masks. But Kenney promised the best summer ever...
currently we are one of the only my restaurants in town that is still taking names and phone numbers for contact tracing. We have yet to hear from the owner or head office what our protocols will be.
I think it should be no capacity limitations but masks. But Kenney promised the best summer ever...
Jun 26th 2021, 4:55 am
#694
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Re: Masks
I am wondering if BC will drop mask mandate next week. We seemed to have met the requirements the province set as goal for step 3.
"The criteria for moving to Step 3 is at least 70% of the 18+ population vaccinated with dose 1, along with low case counts and declining COVID-19 hospitalizations."
Step 3 masks go from mandated to recommended, so will be interesting to see how businesses react.
Step 3 will also allow people to return more normal life.
If cases stay low through the summer, we may see masks be declared a personal choice from recommended in step 3.
Makes sense to go at it in a step, mandated to recommended to personal choice over a couple months to see if reduced mask use will lead to spikes.
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"The criteria for moving to Step 3 is at least 70% of the 18+ population vaccinated with dose 1, along with low case counts and declining COVID-19 hospitalizations."
Step 3 masks go from mandated to recommended, so will be interesting to see how businesses react.
Step 3 will also allow people to return more normal life.
- Return to usual for indoor and outdoor personal gatherings
- Sleepovers
- Increased capacity at both indoor and outdoor organized gatherings with a COVID-19 Safety Plan in place
- Fairs and festivals can operate with a COVID-19 Safety Plan in place
- Canada-wide recreational travel ( this one was never enforced, nobody was ever stopping people at the airport.)
- No group limit for indoor and outdoor dining
- Liquor service restrictions lifted
- Casinos and nightclubs can operate with a limited capacity
- Return to normal sport competitions with an updated COVID-19 Safety Plan in place
- Increased outdoor and indoor spectators allowed.
If cases stay low through the summer, we may see masks be declared a personal choice from recommended in step 3.
Makes sense to go at it in a step, mandated to recommended to personal choice over a couple months to see if reduced mask use will lead to spikes.
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Jun 26th 2021, 3:04 pm
#695
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Location: SW Ontario
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Re: Masks
This is interesting, a comprehensive list with each area and the requirements. Several of the Ontario regions state "There is no need to turn away people not wearing a mask".
https://www.retailcouncil.org/corona...ing-retailers/
this is from the Hamilton Face Coverings and Masks bylaw
"
https://www.retailcouncil.org/corona...ing-retailers/
this is from the Hamilton Face Coverings and Masks bylaw
"
- Every operator shall take reasonable steps to ensure that no member of the public is permitted entry to, or otherwise remains within, the establishment unless the member of the public is wearing a face covering in a manner which covers their mouth, nose, and chin. This requirement shall not apply to members of the public that state that they fall within an exemption of this By-law or appear to fall within one of the exemptions.
- Every operator shall ensure that any person who refuses to comply with the requirements of this By-law is promptly asked to leave their establishment and is reported to authorized staff upon failure to comply with this direction.
Jun 27th 2021, 7:37 am
#697
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Re: Masks
oh you are deliberately misunderstanding what I wrote. I did not say a store has the right to refuse someone with a disability. I should imagine it was some sort of jobsworth denying entrance. That jobsworth has probably had enough of people faking not being able to wear a mask and they are more than likely burnt out with people complaining. ALSO that person may have been doing what management told them to.
I am saying that a store should be able to deny persons not meeting their policies. If someone cannot wear a mask and they know the store policy , they can always call ahead and explain and ask for an exemption, they can order online for pick up or they can have someone shop for them. We have places here, no mask, no entry, no exceptions. If my niece was here shopping with me, I would move along to the next store and spend my money there OR make arrangements to purchase the items I want in a different way. I wouldn't be going around boohooing.
we recently had a customer wanting curbside pick up, we don't do curbside pick up, she said but my Mum won't come inside, the website says you do curbside. I had to explain, not all franchises are doing curbside, ours isn't and I'm sorry we don't. Now that customer had the option of getting food delivered, or paying by phone or online, and just picking up or physically coming into the store. She ended up doing the latter.
For the record, I have never turned a customer away for not having a mask, even though it is mandated by the government and the city, I have never even asked if they would like a mask. For those that have said oh I forgot my mask, I have said oh no worries. My manager would probably have a conniption. I suppose being surrounded by so many red necks I am no longer surprised by the mentality of those around me and am more used to moving along.
I am saying that a store should be able to deny persons not meeting their policies. If someone cannot wear a mask and they know the store policy , they can always call ahead and explain and ask for an exemption, they can order online for pick up or they can have someone shop for them. We have places here, no mask, no entry, no exceptions. If my niece was here shopping with me, I would move along to the next store and spend my money there OR make arrangements to purchase the items I want in a different way. I wouldn't be going around boohooing.
we recently had a customer wanting curbside pick up, we don't do curbside pick up, she said but my Mum won't come inside, the website says you do curbside. I had to explain, not all franchises are doing curbside, ours isn't and I'm sorry we don't. Now that customer had the option of getting food delivered, or paying by phone or online, and just picking up or physically coming into the store. She ended up doing the latter.
For the record, I have never turned a customer away for not having a mask, even though it is mandated by the government and the city, I have never even asked if they would like a mask. For those that have said oh I forgot my mask, I have said oh no worries. My manager would probably have a conniption. I suppose being surrounded by so many red necks I am no longer surprised by the mentality of those around me and am more used to moving along.
I would be the same as you regarding the bottom bit... Just move along. The odd person not wearing it isn't going to change the 95% that do wear it.
As said there will be a lot of issues when the provincial mandate ends and certain stores try to continue enforcing it. I feel like the mandate will be in place a bit longer for this reason for indoor public places. Which is fine, it is probably better we keep wearing them. Apologies for misunderstanding, it read like you agreed with stores barring entry for people with legitimate disabilities that prevent them from wearing a mask. That's what the whole grievance is about.
It's one thing to choose not to wear a mask - I do that sometimes and I just shop online or refrain from going out if i'm feeling annoyed with covid and don't want to deal with masks, screening, or contact tracing. That's my choice. Your example of calling ahead or making accommodations is perfect for that. My sister doesn't have the choice TO wear a mask if she wanted to - her disability prevents her from doing so. She should not be discriminated against because some store jobsworth doesn't feel "comfortable." She is uncomfortable all her life with her disability, they can keep their distance and stay away from her if they are uncomfortable for the 10 minutes she is going to go in and shop.
FWIW, despite potential side effects and the fact that she doesn't understand what COVID even is, she has had her first dose of the vaccine and is waiting on the second.
Jun 29th 2021, 10:17 pm
#698
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Location: Kamloops, BC
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Re: Masks
No more masks for us in BC 
recommended, but not mandatory after July 1st.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/c...art#step-three
recommended, but not mandatory after July 1st.https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/c...art#step-three
Jun 29th 2021, 10:59 pm
#699
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Re: Masks
No more masks for us in BC recommended, but not mandatory after July 1st.
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/c...art#step-three
recommended, but not mandatory after July 1st.https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/c...art#step-three
I hope stores follow and make them optional, there will be times when I would want to wear one, but there are times like in this heat where wearing a mask is rather unpleasant.
Jun 29th 2021, 11:39 pm
#700
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Re: Masks
I am curious if that will change come July.
Jul 2nd 2021, 9:38 pm
#701
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Re: Masks
Got my barnet cut today and neither the Barber or I were wearing masks.
Talk about living life on the edge
Talk about living life on the edge
Jul 2nd 2021, 10:50 pm
#702
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Re: Masks
Ha ha yeah it seems strange alright. We carry one just in case but so far everywhere seems a mix. Some stores have all staff wearing them some not and Boston Pizza yesterday was odd seeing all the servers without masks but nowhere so far has tried to stop anyone from entering without which of course is their right should they choose.
Jul 4th 2021, 11:01 pm
#703
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Location: Red Deer, Alberta
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Re: Masks
We are wearing them for another 2 weeks. I'm happy with that. Was in Wal-Mart on Friday. Probably 50/50 customers were wearing masks. Busy places I will wear, less populated I won't. It's quite odd.
Jul 5th 2021, 12:14 am
#704
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Location: Kamloops, BC
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Re: Masks
Ha ha yeah it seems strange alright. We carry one just in case but so far everywhere seems a mix. Some stores have all staff wearing them some not and Boston Pizza yesterday was odd seeing all the servers without masks but nowhere so far has tried to stop anyone from entering without which of course is their right should they choose.
Jul 5th 2021, 2:07 am
#705
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Re: Masks
I hear ya. We often used to think it was odd when when saw Asians wondering around Toronto wearing masks. Now it doesn’t seem so odd.
