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Tangram Mar 10th 2014 1:23 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 11166305)
Can you corroborate that assertion? I don't believe a modern airliner has disappeared without a trace anytime in my lifetime. (Which is greater than yours;)). Even AF447 was eventually found some 2 years after it crashed. Wreckage was found 5 days after the crash.

IMHO MH370 likely crashed but for some reason authorities are looking in completely the wrong place. That they are looking in the Malacca Strait now (some hundreds of miles off its route) is interesting.

The only ones that have seem to be the ones that allegedly hit the Pentagon and crashed in a filed in Pens.

Can't think of any others.

caretaker Mar 10th 2014 1:35 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
They'll find it sooner or later. Things will float, be caught in trawlers' nets, be spotted by ships or aircraft searching, wash up on shore somewhere. I wonder what the door-thing was, cabin trailer or truck blown off a cargo ship or from one of the numerous ferrys that sink out there? A car from Fukushima that went it's own way?

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 10th 2014 1:36 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 11166305)
Can you corroborate that assertion? I don't believe a modern airliner has disappeared without a trace anytime in my lifetime. (Which is greater than yours;)). Even AF447 was eventually found some 2 years after it crashed. Wreckage was found 5 days after the crash.

IMHO MH370 likely crashed but for some reason authorities are looking in completely the wrong place. That they are looking in the Malacca Strait now (some hundreds of miles off its route) is interesting.

Varig 967 in 1979, lost contact 30 minutes after departure from Narita airport, and never heard from again, the plane, pilots, and cargo have never been located. (it was a cargo plane so no passengers.)

While not a passenger flight, in 2003 a Boeing 727 was stolen, and has never been spotted since, nor has the person believed to have been at the controls the day it was stolen.

Another cargo flight, in 1997 a Antonov AN-72 vanished into the Atlantic, crew and aircraft never located.

In 1995 a Merpati Nusantara Airlines DH-6 went missing, 14 people presumed killed.

In 1974 WC-130 went missing during Hurricane Bess, crew and aircraft never located.

I am not saying it happens on a regular basis, and not on this scale lives wise, but its not unheard for aircraft to go missing and never found, and the 707 was large for it's time, so not a small plane there either.


I never said modern for today's standards, or that they were all passenger flights, but the 707 was modern in its time, and large. The rest have been smaller aircraft of various types, but these have not all happened in the times before modern flight.

montreal mike Mar 10th 2014 1:39 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
At a news conference on Monday, Malaysia's civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said all security protocols had been complied with and confirmed that the two men aboard the plane travelling on stolen passports were "not Asian-looking men".

SO IT GETS MORE CONFUSING

THE STORY JUST CHANGED

TWO PHONY PASSPORTS BUT NOT ASIAN FACES AT ALL

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 10th 2014 1:41 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by caretaker (Post 11166320)
They'll find it sooner or later. Things will float, be caught in trawlers' nets, be spotted by ships or aircraft searching, wash up on shore somewhere. I wonder what the door-thing was, cabin trailer or truck blown off a cargo ship or from one of the numerous ferrys that sink out there? A car from Fukushima that went it's own way?

CBC is reporting it was moss covered trash. (this was apparently something else.)

The door thing has apparently not been located by ships to verify what it is.

caretaker Mar 10th 2014 1:47 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11166326)
CBC is reporting it was moss covered trash. (this was apparently something else.)

The door thing has apparently not been located by ships to verify what it is.

Al Jazeera: They thought they'd spotted a life raft but it was a moss covered cap from a cable spool.

montreal mike Mar 10th 2014 1:50 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11166321)
Varig 967 in 1979, lost contact 30 minutes after departure from Narita airport, and never heard from again, the plane, pilots, and cargo have never been located. (it was a cargo plane so no passengers.)

While not a passenger flight, in 2003 a Boeing 727 was stolen, and has never been spotted since, nor has the person believed to have been at the controls the day it was stolen.

Another cargo flight, in 1997 a Antonov AN-72 vanished into the Atlantic, crew and aircraft never located.

In 1995 a Merpati Nusantara Airlines DH-6 went missing, 14 people presumed killed.

In 1974 WC-130 went missing during Hurricane Bess, crew and aircraft never located.

I am not saying it happens on a regular basis, and not on this scale lives wise, but its not unheard for aircraft to go missing and never found, and the 707 was large for it's time, so not a small plane there either.


I never said modern for today's standards, or that they were all passenger flights, but the 707 was modern in its time, and large. The rest have been smaller aircraft of various types, but these have not all happened in the times before modern flight.

Maybe some have not been found because they gave up looking

It costs money

The Air France plane in the Atlantic was found after two years and loads of money being spent

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...ver-water.html

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 10th 2014 2:58 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by montreal mike (Post 11166336)
Maybe some have not been found because they gave up looking

It costs money

The Air France plane in the Atlantic was found after two years and loads of money being spent

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...ver-water.html

I am sure they gave up at some point, eventually you have to if you can find no signs of it. Air France they at least found signs of it which I am sure made a difference.

You can't actively look and spend money on searches forever, well suppose you can, but most authorities probably don't want to.

magnumpi Mar 10th 2014 3:01 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
With over 200 passengers on board, they will continue to search, be sure of that

montreal mike Mar 10th 2014 3:08 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 11166418)
With over 200 passengers on board, they will continue to search, be sure of that

yes but for how long?

next month, one way or the other, it will all be forgotten, except for the relatives

magnumpi Mar 10th 2014 3:29 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
Maybe, I for one will still interested in the reasons that the safest passenger plane disappeared without a trace

montreal mike Mar 10th 2014 3:34 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 11166463)
Maybe, I for one will still interested in the reasons that the safest passenger plane disappeared without a trace

so far all signs point to foul play

1985, air india, left canada but never made it

and then there was lockerbie

Siouxie Mar 10th 2014 8:25 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
Debris field thought to have been found:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03...w-for-efforts/

Shard Mar 10th 2014 10:15 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
A good summary of possibilities in the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...e-explanations

Although an alien tractor beam has not been proposed yet.

montreal mike Mar 10th 2014 10:24 am

Re: Malaysian 777
 
yes a good link to the guardian

not mentioned is the possibility of a lack of fuel

it sounds crazy but it did happen in canada many years ago

does gimli ring a bell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider


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