Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > Canada > The Maple Leaf
Reload this Page >

Life's Turning-Points

Wikiposts

Life's Turning-Points

Thread Tools
 
Old Aug 21st 2023 | 7:17 am
  #286  
Atlantic Xpat's Avatar
Slightly Canadian
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 10,146
From: St. John's, Newfoundland
Atlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond reputeAtlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond reputeAtlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond reputeAtlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond reputeAtlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond reputeAtlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond reputeAtlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond reputeAtlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond reputeAtlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond reputeAtlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond reputeAtlantic Xpat has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
In 2000ish when internet dating was still a novelty I responded to a profile for a "crazy Canadian, landlocked in London". That was a life changing moment as it lead to me emigrating with said Canadian in 2004 to part of Canada I'd barely heard of and only visited once in the depths of winter. The other life changing events of course were the birth of my kids in 2009 and 2012 respectively. Sadly, the youngest is also responsible for a life changing moment a little over three weeks ago when she was diagnosed with leukemia. Not all life changing moments are good, but we overcome adversity and fight on.
An update a year or so later. My youngest continues to battle leukemia. She's in maintenance therapy for the next year or so following 10 months of intensive and harrowing chemo with many complications and a great deal of time in hospital. Although we had a blip last week with a further hospitalisation, the trend is in the right direction & she's slowly returning to normal life. She & the rest of our family will be forever changed by cancer - fear or remission, side effects of chemo, emotional and physical scars and above all the knowlegde that life can change so completely in an instant.

Unrelated to cancer but also a life-changing moment, my wife and I separated three months ago. I moved here because of her and here I will stay because of the kids. That's not all bad & life hopefully will continue to be good, cancer notwithstanding. It's an amicable split, we remain friends. Onwards, ever onwards.
 
Old Aug 21st 2023 | 7:17 pm
  #287  
Jingsamichty's Avatar
Lowering the tone
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 8,154
From: Here and there
Jingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Well, AX, firstly I'm really happy to hear that your daughter is responding well to her treatment, and let's hope that continues. Secondly, very sorry to hear about your separation but glad that you and your wife are able to manage things amicably. I wish all of you the very best of health and happiness.
 
Old Aug 22nd 2023 | 1:59 am
  #288  
Thread Starter
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 5,396
From: Cayman Islands
Gordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
...What level of inheritance tax? 100%, 80%, 50%? How would that work in practice? If I die, does my wife, from my estate, have to pay the tax on any amount imposed on my "share" of any asset she needs to continue living (i.e., our house)? What about any dependents one has? If the government to take money from me just to redistribute it to them?
Sorry, AC: I left you hanging here without addressing your second point, about taxing dead people instead of live ones, in some circumstances... I was thinking of a 100% tax on deceased estates, maybe above a modest threshold. Remember that half the people in England (and maybe some other countries too) have never owned their own houses - for generations going back to 1066, and probably before that. Remember, too, that abolishing income-tax would allow live people to live more comfortably. And thirdly, remember that I'm just addressing the big picture, so it's not really my job to write the new tax law. Whatever that law said, the legislators would no doubt leave plenty of room for tax-dodging - including via offshore tax-havens, of course...
 
Old Aug 23rd 2023 | 1:57 am
  #289  
Almost Canadian's Avatar
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 13,402
From: South of Calgary
Almost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
Sorry, AC: I left you hanging here without addressing your second point, about taxing dead people instead of live ones, in some circumstances... I was thinking of a 100% tax on deceased estates, maybe above a modest threshold. Remember that half the people in England (and maybe some other countries too) have never owned their own houses - for generations going back to 1066, and probably before that. Remember, too, that abolishing income-tax would allow live people to live more comfortably. And thirdly, remember that I'm just addressing the big picture, so it's not really my job to write the new tax law. Whatever that law said, the legislators would no doubt leave plenty of room for tax-dodging - including via offshore tax-havens, of course...
OK

You do release how much tax has to be paid to run most economies? If less than half of the people own their homes, are you assuming that the ones that do, and the assets of the citizens, will be enough to fund the system? I appreciate that you may wish to argue that government is too large and that services have been extended far too much (I am not going to disagree with you on that point) but I fail to see how, once the first generation has had all of its assets removed upon death, future spending could be covered by taxing estates.

By way of example, I paid more than $80,000 in income tax last year. I doubt very much that taxing my estate at 100% would raise more than $2,000,000 in tax, assuming that none was left for my wife. She paid over $20,000 in tax last year. One can see that it doesn't take too many years of not paying income tax before taxing the estate raises far less than taxing my income. There is also the fact that there may be big delays before it is paid.

Let's assume that the average estate would be worth $250,000 (high for those without property) I would suggest that most will pay more than that, over their lifetime, in income tax.

Me thinks your calculations don't add up.

I also don't buy the fact that not taxing people would allow them to live more comfortably. Yes, in theory, they would have more disposable income but, just as people spend all their money when they earn X, they also spend all of their money when they are promoted and earn X + 20%
 
Old Aug 23rd 2023 | 2:07 am
  #290  
BristolUK's Avatar
Oscar nominated
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 55,309
From: Moncton, NB, CANADA
BristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
...Remember that half the people in England (and maybe some other countries too) have never owned their own houses - for generations going back to 1066, and probably before that. Remember, too, that abolishing income-tax would allow live people to live more comfortably..
Until they need some sort of medical attention and die.

 
Old Aug 23rd 2023 | 6:19 am
  #291  
Thread Starter
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 5,396
From: Cayman Islands
Gordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
I also don't buy the fact that not taxing people would allow them to live more comfortably. Yes, in theory, they would have more disposable income but, just as people spend all their money when they earn X, they also spend all of their money when they are promoted and earn X + 20%
I didn't say "not taxing people". That would be utterly stupid. What I said was "abolish INCOME TAX" Income-tax is not the only tax, you know! There are several British colonies that don't tax incomes, or profits either. Their governments' main sources of revenue are various forms of sales-tax. Nobody dies for lack of medical attention. Sheesh!
 
Old Aug 23rd 2023 | 7:09 am
  #292  
Just Joined
 
Joined: Aug 2023
Posts: 28
British Columbian is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
One question, requiring two questions in response.
1. Could some government activities be severely reduced, so as to minimise the demand for taxes? Answer: yes, chop the defence appropriation. British governments could abandon their thirst for wars of aggression. Britain hasn't been invaded since 1066, while itself invading half the world since then. (I include both World Wars; Britain declared war on Germany, both times.) All its wars have been unjust, unnecessary and immoral.
2. Could some other taxes replace the tax on incomes? Answer: yes, by increasing the tax on dead people. That would be just, and moral, and probably necessary to maintain a fair society. The present death-duty rules allow rich families to stay rich while keeping poor families poor. I've been told that roughly half the families in England have never owned their own homes. Never ever!

What else have you got for me?
1066 !! King Harold had his own place and look what happened to him.
GB love reading your life experiences, makes me realize what an utterly boring life i have had, although i didn't think it boring at the time, horses for courses i suppose.
 
Old Aug 23rd 2023 | 7:26 am
  #293  
BristolUK's Avatar
Oscar nominated
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 55,309
From: Moncton, NB, CANADA
BristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond reputeBristolUK has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
There are several British colonies that don't tax incomes, or profits either.
Which country, whose citizens pay income tax, provides their defence and other emergencies?

No paramedics in Bermuda?
 
Old Aug 23rd 2023 | 11:28 am
  #294  
dbd33's Avatar
Assimilated Pauper
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 40,070
From: Ontario
dbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond reputedbd33 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
Unrelated to cancer but also a life-changing moment, my wife and I separated three months ago. I moved here because of her and here I will stay because of the kids. That's not all bad & life hopefully will continue to be good, cancer notwithstanding. It's an amicable split, we remain friends. Onwards, ever onwards.
Sorry to hear of this, amicable or not.
 
Old Aug 23rd 2023 | 2:10 pm
  #295  
Thread Starter
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 5,396
From: Cayman Islands
Gordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by British Columbian
...GB love reading your life experiences, makes me realize what an utterly boring life i have had, although i didn't think it boring at the time, horses for courses i suppose.
Ahhh, what goes around comes around, BC. I'm a boring old coot now!
 
Old Aug 24th 2023 | 12:58 am
  #296  
Almost Canadian's Avatar
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 13,402
From: South of Calgary
Almost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
I didn't say "not taxing people". That would be utterly stupid. What I said was "abolish INCOME TAX" Income-tax is not the only tax, you know! There are several British colonies that don't tax incomes, or profits either. Their governments' main sources of revenue are various forms of sales-tax. Nobody dies for lack of medical attention. Sheesh!
What level of sales tax have you calculated will be needed to cover the loss of revenue encountered if you scrapped income tax? If a marginal rate of tax of around 35% is required when using income tax, I imagine that the sales tax would need to be around 1000%, accepting I can't be bothered to look into it at all. I have no idea how low income citizens are expected to be able to afford that when purchasing their day to day essentials.

As a Type I diabetic, I am relatively confident that I would be dead had I not received medical attention when I collapsed while on a military training exercise.

Last edited by Almost Canadian; Aug 24th 2023 at 1:00 am.
 
Old Aug 24th 2023 | 1:07 am
  #297  
Jingsamichty's Avatar
Lowering the tone
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 8,154
From: Here and there
Jingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond reputeJingsamichty has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
There are several British colonies that don't tax incomes, or profits either. Their governments' main sources of revenue are various forms of sales-tax. Nobody dies for lack of medical attention. Sheesh!
Genuine question - are these British colonies really self-sufficient from sales tax, i.e. all the citizens' needs in terms of infrastructure, education, healthcare, policing, judiciary, local services etc. etc. etc. are all fully met from local sales taxes alone? Or are there other financial benefits to the colony from simply being a tax-haven and attracting huge sums of money from non-locals who want to hide their money there?

 
Old Aug 24th 2023 | 2:31 am
  #298  
Thread Starter
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 5,396
From: Cayman Islands
Gordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
What level of sales tax have you calculated will be needed to cover the loss of revenue encountered if you scrapped income tax? If a marginal rate of tax of around 35% is required when using income tax, I imagine that the sales tax would need to be around 1000%, accepting I can't be bothered to look into it at all. I have no idea how low income citizens are expected to be able to afford that when purchasing their day to day essentials.
I beg your pardon... I made a mistake typing my answer. I should have said "sales tax and import duties" Import duties are of course added to retailers' prices and paid by the customers; hence my confusion. Here in Cayman the duty is 22% on most things, 27% on vehicles. There is a direct sales tax on properties. I don't want to compare this (my) tiny island with countries a thousand times bigger. Britain's population is a thousand times Cayman's, and our government's budget this year is one billion pounds, which I guess would be about a thousand times smaller than Britain's. (Is it?) I haven't calculated anything; and you haven't either. We both have better things to do! But I will say that the prospect of low-income residents not being taxed on their miserable wages must surely be quite attractive.
 
Old Aug 24th 2023 | 4:55 am
  #299  
Almost Canadian's Avatar
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 13,402
From: South of Calgary
Almost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond reputeAlmost Canadian has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by Gordon Barlow
I beg your pardon... I made a mistake typing my answer. I should have said "sales tax and import duties" Import duties are of course added to retailers' prices and paid by the customers; hence my confusion. Here in Cayman the duty is 22% on most things, 27% on vehicles. There is a direct sales tax on properties. I don't want to compare this (my) tiny island with countries a thousand times bigger. Britain's population is a thousand times Cayman's, and our government's budget this year is one billion pounds, which I guess would be about a thousand times smaller than Britain's. (Is it?) I haven't calculated anything; and you haven't either. We both have better things to do! But I will say that the prospect of low-income residents not being taxed on their miserable wages must surely be quite attractive.
Most low income residents don't pay huge amounts of income tax anyway, do they? In most jurisdictions, most receive more from the jurisdiction than they pay into it in income tax and the vast majority of things are paid for by companies and higher income earners (despite what politicians like to state).

Having been lucky enough to be in higher income group for some time, I am quite looking forward to my retirement when I can become a net withdrawer, rather than a net contributor (sarcasm intended).
 
Old Aug 25th 2023 | 6:26 am
  #300  
Thread Starter
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 5,396
From: Cayman Islands
Gordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond reputeGordon Barlow has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: Life's Turning-Points

Originally Posted by BristolUK
Which country, whose citizens pay income tax, provides their defence and other emergencies?
There are many nations, in all of the world's continents, that hang on like grim death to places they invaded and populated in times past. Some of those places have been allowed to have a degree of self-governance; some are legally incorporated into the invader-nations. Most are happy with the arrangement, a few aren't.

Some of the occupied territories (let's call them that) may require defending from their enemies; some don't seem to have enemies. One one hand we have the Donbass, currently being defended by Russia from their bloodthirsty neighbours; on the other hand we have St Pierre & Miquelon, apparently safe from any Canadian aggression. Hong Kong, Hawaii, New Caledonia, Christmas Island, Sardinia, Ulster, Palau, Falklands/Malvinas... dozens of them; too many to list!

We live in a complex world; it takes some knowledge of history to make sense of it.
 


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Your Privacy Choices

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.