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clairemarie70 Feb 6th 2008 2:01 am

the language barrier!!!
 
hi all, i have been in Saskachewan just over a week..and anyone that is thinking of coming to Canada beware that you will still have a problem with the language..yes we both speak English but the Canadians still have a problem understanding us..and i can have problems understanding them on the phone... the Canadians seem to speak faster down the phone (or is it just me)...just to make u aware that it can still be very frustrating.:curse:

manghams Feb 6th 2008 2:02 am

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Originally Posted by clairemarie70 (Post 5894290)
hi all, i have been in Saskachewan just over a week..and anyone that is thinking of coming to Canada beware that you will still have a problem with the language..yes we both speak English but the Canadians still have a problem understanding us..and i can have problems understanding them on the phone... the Canadians seem to speak faster down the phone (or is it just me)...just to make u aware that it can still be very frustrating.:curse:

Wait til you get a French Canadian on the phone! The last one I got told me I was talking too fast and too deep now what can I do about that! In the end we both gave up and I re-dailed! :eek:

Biiiiink Feb 6th 2008 2:06 am

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I find the phone line clarity absolutely appalling here which doesn't help with accent problems :blink: And it's not my phone.

manghams Feb 6th 2008 2:15 am

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Originally Posted by Biiiiink (Post 5894311)
I find the phone line clarity absolutely appalling here which doesn't help with accent problems :blink: And it's not my phone.

I have a bigger problem than that with my phone; :thumbdown: I gave it a wash in my jeans pocket. OOoops, must have been a blonde moment; the reception on it now is terrible; cant hear anything. :rofl::rofl:

GavinR Feb 6th 2008 3:46 am

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You just have to speak more slowly and use as many Canadian phrases and terminology as possible. This is why people who don't try and speak the language (Annie3-4!) find it difficult and frustrating. As with any new country you move to, you should try and learn the language that the country uses, not try and impose your own version onto the locals. It's ok for a short while but if you're still using 'petrol' or opening the 'bonnet' after a length of time then most will just think you're arrogant.

annie3-4 Feb 6th 2008 3:49 am

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I dont find it difficult and frustrating, just annoying when Brits adopt a pretendy false Canadian twang which sounds completely ridiculous

catherinelouise Feb 6th 2008 3:51 am

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I know what it is like. I lived in the UK for a a couple years and went through the same thing ( I am Canadain). Everyone always giggled when I referred to my trousers as "pants" and one of the first times I was out in the evening and a girl asked meto join her to the loo I thought it was a different bar we were going to ha ha..........

Have fun with it though. It is definatley all part of the experience and always a good convo starter!!!!!:thumbsup:

Howard1944 Feb 6th 2008 3:54 am

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Coronation Street irritates me, I cannot understand 90% of what they say.

Jingle Feb 6th 2008 3:56 am

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Originally Posted by catherinelouise (Post 5894709)
one of the first times I was out in the evening and a girl asked me to join her to the loo :thumbsup:

:rofl::rofl: the mind boggles at why she wanted you to join her there!!!

J :)

annie3-4 Feb 6th 2008 3:56 am

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Dont watch it then Howard.

Atlantic Xpat Feb 6th 2008 3:59 am

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Simply adopt the well tried English principle of Speaking loudly and slowly. "Do. You. Understand me. Johnny. Canuck. I would to purchase some petrol. And. Fags. Could. You. also. Carry. the. shopping. to. the. boot. of. my car. as. I. don't. want. to. get. my.trousers.dirty.Bloody colonials"

CANADIANS DON'T SPEAK LIKE ENGLISH. Headline. Shock horror. Who'dve thunk it!;)

Piff Poff Feb 6th 2008 4:15 am

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Originally Posted by annie3-4 (Post 5894701)
I dont find it difficult and frustrating, just annoying when Brits adopt a pretendy false Canadian twang which sounds completely ridiculous


My daughter:eek: Bless her! She is being Canadianised, she is trying to fit in. Yep we knew it would happen, we knew she would end up with a Canadian accent but at the moment it is in between and I can't bl@%dy understand her half the time. She has got the mumble off to a T but some of the words, well:eek: For nearly 2 weeks in the UK, I had a daughter that spoke as we speak and now she has reverted to her strange Canadianisms. She only speaks that way so her buddies can understand her, but she brings it home too and that's where it gets scary!

We have found that your vocab' just starts to change and yes you do start becomming a little Canadianised yourself, we find though that it generally happens when speaking to other Canadians, otherwise your forever explaining yourself and getting blank looks, which gets super frustrating.

Steve_P Feb 6th 2008 4:42 am

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Originally Posted by annie3-4 (Post 5894701)
I dont find it difficult and frustrating, just annoying when Brits adopt a pretendy false Canadian twang which sounds completely ridiculous

Haven't we been through this before.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502885

Give it up already.

clynnog Feb 6th 2008 4:49 am

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Originally Posted by GavinR (Post 5894691)
You just have to speak more slowly and use as many Canadian phrases and terminology as possible. This is why people who don't try and speak the language (Annie3-4!) find it difficult and frustrating. As with any new country you move to, you should try and learn the language that the country uses, not try and impose your own version onto the locals. It's ok for a short while but if you're still using 'petrol' or opening the 'bonnet' after a length of time then most will just think you're arrogant.

Never have truer words been said. You can use petrol, bonnet, wireless, GIRO, P-45 etc etc when in the company of fellow Brits, but to most people it sounds pompous and arrogant.

Edna Bucket Feb 6th 2008 4:53 am

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Originally Posted by clynnog (Post 5894965)
Never have truer words been said. You can use petrol, bonnet, wireless, GIRO, P-45 etc etc when in the company of fellow Brits, but to most people it sounds pompous and arrogant.


There are alternatives to giro and P-45 ?

Judy in Calgary Feb 6th 2008 5:02 am

Re: the language barrier!!!
 

Originally Posted by clynnog (Post 5894965)
Never have truer words been said. You can use petrol, bonnet, wireless, GIRO, P-45 etc etc when in the company of fellow Brits, but to most people it sounds pompous and arrogant.

Hmmm ... let me see:

petrol = gasoline

bonnet = hood (of car, although bonnet also is a head covering secured by ribbons)

wireless = During my childhood in Swaziland, we referred to a radio as a wireless. But it occurs to me that the current British use of wireless may be different. For example, it might refer to wireless internet or something like that. I'd be grateful for clarification.

GIRO = My first thought was that it was a ballpoint pen, but then I remembered that was a BIRO. Did a Google search, and found several websites. The one that seemed most plausible to me was some sort of electronic banking transaction.

P-45 = I have no idea. A Google search brings up a British tax form, an internet site for jokes and gossip, etc. Again, clarification would be most welcome. :)

Atlantic Xpat Feb 6th 2008 5:05 am

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Giro, 'It's dah Pogy, 'bys! Jeez you mainlanders are some stunned!'

Judy in Calgary Feb 6th 2008 5:09 am

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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 5895062)
Giro, 'It's dah Pogy, 'bys! Jeez you mainlanders are some stunned!'

Aah, who would have guessed? But thanks for explaining.

How does one pronounce GIRO, pray tell?

Atlantic Xpat Feb 6th 2008 5:09 am

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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 5895077)
Aah, who would have guessed? But thanks for explaining.

How does one pronounce GIRO, pray tell?

"Wid a Jay";)

Cookie Feb 6th 2008 5:10 am

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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 5895077)
Aah, who would have guessed? But thanks for explaining.

How does one pronounce GIRO, pray tell?

As in gyro, Judy................. um er with a JAY ;-)

Judy in Calgary Feb 6th 2008 5:12 am

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Originally Posted by Yes-can-do
As in gyro, Judy................. um er with a JAY ;-)

Thanks. :)

Steve_P Feb 6th 2008 5:12 am

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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 5895062)
Giro, 'It's dah Pogy, 'bys! Jeez you mainlanders are some stunned!'

If'n yous gat dah pogy den lord tunderin' geezus, biy pass me da screech.:thumbsup:

BristolUK Feb 6th 2008 5:13 am

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Giro...traditional form of delivery of Unemployment Benefit/Dole/Income Support/Job Seekers Allowance etc.

Generally a sign of unemployment.

A few years ago there was a football cup final in England featuring Liverpool and Everton, two teams from Liverpool where unemployment was very high.

It was known as The Giro Cup Final.

Jay Bird Feb 6th 2008 5:14 am

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Originally Posted by Howard1944 (Post 5894721)
Coronation Street irritates me, I cannot understand 90% of what they say.

Oh go away Howie...you don't understand 101% of what WE say! :p

Judy in Calgary Feb 6th 2008 5:15 am

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:p

Originally Posted by Steve_P
If'n yous gat dah pogy den lord tunderin' geezus, biy pass me da screech.:thumbsup:

Okay, smart guy, can you tell me what P-45 is? Hold on, wasn't P-45 a rogue Masonic Lodge in Italy? Oh no, that was the P2 Lodge. So I'm still none the wiser. :p

daft batty Feb 6th 2008 5:18 am

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I said Home Deepot yesterday. We were sorting out the recycling and the garbage later in the evening. Earlier I had I walked on the sidewalk to the store and then refused to buy chips at $4 a bag, the others in the line behind me agreed.

Steve_P Feb 6th 2008 5:21 am

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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 5895110)
:pOkay, smart guy, can you tell me what P-45 is?



It's a Ferrari. :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ront_right.jpg

daft batty Feb 6th 2008 5:21 am

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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 5895110)
:pOkay, smart guy, can you tell me what P-45 is? Hold on, wasn't P-45 a rogue Masonic Lodge in Italy? Oh no, that was the P2 Lodge. So I'm still none the wiser. :p

Its a T2 or a T4 or something.You get it when you leave your current employment and need it for social security, the GIRO cheque, previously known as the dole. You get a Giro cheque as you can cash it at the post office if you dont have a bank account, or one in debit so you cant draw on the cheque.

Or so I believe.

Its a T4, a Canadian just told me so it's true

Judy in Calgary Feb 6th 2008 5:22 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_P
It's a Ferrari. :)

Oh!

I'd better not show that photo to Mr. J_i_C. :p

Jay Bird Feb 6th 2008 5:23 am

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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary (Post 5895042)


GIRO = My first thought was that it was a ballpoint pen, but then I remembered that was a BIRO. Did a Google search, and found several websites. The one that seemed most plausible to me was some sort of electronic banking transaction.

P-45 = I have no idea. A Google search brings up a British tax form, an internet site for jokes and gossip, etc. Again, clarification would be most welcome. :)


Hi Judy -

Giro...pronunciation already explained, but not what it is....it's short for Girocheque a measn by which payment of state benefits is made; when I worked in the Department of Employment, more years ago than I will confess to, they were a fairly new idea....a piece of paper (cheque) which the claimant clutched in his/her hand, then toddled to the local post office to exchange for real money. It was deemed a safer way to pay claimants.

P45 - a tax form issued to an employee, by an employer, when said employee has terminated his/her job. It shows the amount of money earned and the amount of tax paid up to that point, along with one of the great mysteries of English Life....the Tax Code.

:)

Tuppence Feb 6th 2008 5:23 am

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Originally Posted by daft batty (Post 5895130)
Its a T2 or a T4 or something.You get it when you leave your current employment and need it for social security, the GIRO cheque, previously known as the dole. You get a Giro cheque as you can cash it at the post office if you dont have a bank account, or one in debit so you cant draw on the cheque.

Or so I believe.

Its a T4, a Canadian just told me so it's true

But don't you get a T4 every year here, and only get a P45 when you leave? :confused::blink::)

Oakvillian Feb 6th 2008 5:26 am

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Originally Posted by Tuppence (Post 5895140)
But don't you get a T4 every year here, and only get a P45 when you leave? :confused::blink::)

Yeah, T4=P60, I thought - annual statement of earnings and tax deducted in previous tax year. Not sure what the equivalent of P45 is in Canada, as I've only had the one job since arriving...

Atlantic Xpat Feb 6th 2008 5:28 am

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Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 5895095)
If'n yous gat dah pogy den lord tunderin' geezus, biy pass me da screech.:thumbsup:


Mr_P. There is nothing to be abhored more than an Englishman putting on a fake (regional) Canadian accent. Please kindly desist.;)

Howard1944 Feb 6th 2008 5:31 am

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annie, my wife is addicted so I have been forced to buy a 52 inch Big Screen, Baseball is a few weeks away, life is good.

Jay Bird Feb 6th 2008 5:32 am

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Originally Posted by annie3-4 (Post 5894945)
Oh piss off....who asked you?


Now that's a phrase understood by the Canadians.....but....erm......wasn't it you who started that other thread about this very thing? Why do we keep repeating.......I say, why do we keep repeating ourselves.............help........ the record's stuck, the record's stuck, the record's stuck, stuck, stuck......:sneaky:

Steve_P Feb 6th 2008 5:33 am

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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat (Post 5895163)
Mr_P. There is nothing to be abhored more than an Englishman putting on a fake (regional) Canadian accent. Please kindly desist.;)

But it's not really that much of a stretch from my native Scouse. :p:rofl::rofl:

Sorry I'll get me coat. :o

Judy in Calgary Feb 6th 2008 5:34 am

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Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 5895155)
Yeah, T4=P60, I thought - annual statement of earnings and tax deducted in previous tax year. Not sure what the equivalent of P45 is in Canada, as I've only had the one job since arriving...

The form that you receive when you've left a job in Canada is a Record of Employment (formal) or pink slip (informal).

ladymoose Feb 6th 2008 6:49 am

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My hubby (pre-me of course), use to talk about P45ing his ex-girlfriends (dumping them) - so he'll have to change that now to the Canadian equivalent I guess... :unsure:

Ruby Murray Feb 6th 2008 6:56 am

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Originally Posted by oldbag (Post 5895181)
Now that's a phrase understood by the Canadians.....but....erm......wasn't it you who started that other thread about this very thing? Why do we keep repeating.......I say, why do we keep repeating ourselves.............help........ the record's stuck, the record's stuck, the record's stuck, stuck, stuck......:sneaky:

:D :D too funny

Judy in Calgary Feb 6th 2008 7:06 am

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Originally Posted by ladymoose
My hubby (pre-me of course), use to talk about P45ing his ex-girlfriends (dumping them) - so he'll have to change that now to the Canadian equivalent I guess... :unsure:

:rofl:


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