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Old May 4th 2015, 7:44 pm
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well we do have a golden retriever Novocastrian.... but perhaps you do not refer to our four legged friends....
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Trying to choose the best place to live without a chance to recce is proving bewildering. Can I ask you wise Vancouverites (is that even a word?) which area would you choose to rent in between the two. We have 10 & 8 year old kids. I can see positives to both areas - Kits has beaches, lots of shops/cafes within walking distance; Nth Bby has more planned activities for the kids & perhaps more to do at varied parks? Schools - can't find anything on Bayview in Kits except that it's a very old building; Gen Gordon will have a new school by mid 2016; Bby seems to have a number of good schools in the North area...

Are there any major differences that I won't come across while researching online or does this come down to personal preference??
Schools ............. two different school districts run by different School Boards, ie, Vancouver School Board vs Burnaby School Board.

Yes, there is a curriculum set by the provincial government, but there can be differences as to how it is taught between school districts.

The Provincial Government provides funding for education to the individual school boards based on the number of pupils in the district. Then the School Board is responsible for administrating that funding ........ and this is where the differences may occur.

The Boards are all receiving inadequate funding from the Government and having to do more with less (IMHO) ......... so you need to look not only at the curriculum but at how the subjects to be covered are taught and what other activities are available that you or your child might be interested in ...........

is there a good music programme? Music in Vancouver is basically an extra-curricular activity, with string instruction currently beginning in Grade 4 and band in Grade 5. HOWEVER, cutbacks are being proposed that means each will begin 1 year later. In addition, the current $25 cost for a child to participate in string and band is proposed to increase to $50. These are proposals only ........ they may pass the vote (due soon) by the Board, or funding might be found from outside sources.

Are there teacher-librarians in the school? Physical education teachers? Art teachers?

Vancouver School Board has had to cut back on specialised teachers in each school over the last several years ........... there may be specialised teachers shared between several schools, spending 1 or 2 days a week in each school. Or the class teachers may have to teach those parts of the curriculum.

In any case, expect to have to pay for many school things that are free in the UK ............. eg, school supplies such as pens, pencils, paper, files, note books, erasers (don't call them rubbers ), etc etc. This applies all over North America.

Kitsilano is on the west side, therefore the parents are wealthier and there will be more parent activity in fundraising for playground equipment, cost of field trips, buying special equipment, etc etc that in a school in east Vancouver. The result of this, of course, is that schools on the west side tend to be better supplied with certain equipment because the parents have paid for it.

Bayview is actually a Community School, and has a very active PAC (Parent Advisory Council) ......... it is also an old school, and an earthquake feasibility study is underway re upgrading or replacement. It does have a reputation for being a caring school of its pupils.

Earthquake feasibility studies are or have been done for all schools in BC ......... so not just this one.


The local high school has a good reputation


I hear good reports from the Burnaby schools from friends .... but don't know much more than that


Kitsilano is an interesting suburb .....

....... it was the original hippie haven, Canada's answer to Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, and a lot of that carefree attitude still remains. There are lots of small shops, low rise apartment buildings, many restaurants and cafes ............. but like the rest of Vancouver, many marijuana Medical Dispensaries. These are illegal, but it is legal to use marijuana of medical purposes .... so there is currently a loophole allowing these places to open.

There is a Russian Community Centre on 4th Avenue ........... but not many other places of entertainment, eg cinemas in easy walking distance.

There are some local neighbourhood pubs, both on 4th Avenue and on Broadway, intended to be within walking distance for residents. Rules for children in pubs and bars are tighter than in the UK, so watch out.

and the University of British Columbia is on Point Grey to the west of Kits, with good bus service .......... and excellent theatre and music events, if that is to your interest. Plus an indoor swimming pool that is open to the public. The university also runs good sports camps in the summer.


However, shops and cafes within "easy walking distance" could be a bit of a misnomer ............. Vancouver tends to cluster shops and businesses together. So there will be lots of shops, cafes etc for several blocks on either 4th or Broadway, but then there can be many blocks without any shopping or cafes nearby.

Many of the shops, especially those selling clothes (mens, womens or childrens) or cook stores, tend to be boutique-y, individually owned, and expensive! My daughter sent me shopping at a baby store on 4th 5 years ago ............ and boy, were the things expensive!! I could buy the same or very similar at the major downtown department store for less than half-price!

Housing is expensive, as it is all over Vancouver ............ both renting or buying.



I'm trying to be as objective as I can ............ I go to Kitsilano every 2 or 3 weeks, and love the atmosphere and the shopping down there. It is one area what I would consider moving to if I needed to find an apartment ....... but I would need to pick and choose very carefully to be sure that I was within walking distance of the services I need.

It has excellent bus service, with several routes to downtown, to the east (including to Burnaby), and to UBC, along 4th Avenue and Broadway, with both electric trolley buses and express diesel bus.


I have to admit, I do get fed-up of what we call the "yummy mummy Kitsilano mummy" .............. who push strollers and prams along the side walk in the same manner as they push trolleys in the grocery store or even drive their cars ........... a danger to life and limb to themselves and others.

I saw one such when I was down there last week .......... pushing a baby in a stroller and dragging a 2-year old by hand, and crossing a major street when it was showing green for traffic.

I admit that I took 3 steps back, and stood there shaking my head at her!
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I find it depressing when I go into a school, I still see breeze block buildings with rows desks, the curriculum and schedules are still controlled by inadequate and conservative adults. Modern schools should look like a tech firm, where children, parents and teachers interact and design the learning environment cooperatively. But then again its about resources, its cheaper to keep them corralled in a traditional form.
Why do they need to be like that?
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Should I ask if the neighborhood friendliness vibe is better in Kits or North Bby ie. are the yoga mummies a snooty bunch

Scilly good point about my 'walking distance' comment. Does Burnaby have the marijuana Medical Dispensaries too or just the Van area?
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I find it depressing when I go into a school, I still see breeze block buildings with rows desks, the curriculum and schedules are still controlled by inadequate and conservative adults. Modern schools should look like a tech firm, where children, parents and teachers interact and design the learning environment cooperatively. But then again its about resources, its cheaper to keep them corralled in a traditional form.
Reading that, I had a disturbing flashback of Harold Wilson's pipe.
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The Marijuana dispensaries are popping up all over the country ..... the Federal Government basically legalised marijuana for use for medical reasons but then insisted that those licensed to use it HAD to buy their marijuana by mail from certain large suppliers. They were forbidden from growing small amounts for their own use, as had been the legal policy for some years.

The stated purposes were to control who got it, to ensure only those with doctor's prescriptions got it,and also to make sure that they got "standardised" doses. In other words, to ensure that what you ordered was what you got and had a standardised amount of the "essential" ingredient.

Apart from other real or imagined problems, those suppliers are not yet in full production, and there are major problems in getting "standardised" doses.

There have dispensaries around in various places for years, but now those needing to use it for medicinal purposes cannot grow or get it other than illegally on the street. Canny business people saw an opportunity, and a loop hole, where "marijuana dispensaries" are not in fact mentioned in any city's business plan.

They maintain that they are selling ONLY to people who have prescriptions form a doctor, and not to people under the age of 18.


The problem is that Vancouver is about the most liberal place in Canada fro marijuana use, and has the most business people looking for opportunities in a currently unregulated area ................so, we have many more dispensaries than anywhere else!

There are over 80 in Vancouver, and about 20 in the rest of the Lower Mainland / Metro Vancouver.

City Council is about to pass a by-law that will allow them to regulate ............ not within 300 m of schools, community centres OR another dispensary, and only on main streets not in residential areas. People under the age of 18 not to be served, even if they do have a medical prescription. The Federal Government has said Vancouver cannot not do this ........ marijuana is illegal, and regulating an illegal business makes it legal

Go figure!

It's going to be interesting to see what happens!!


BUT ... the answer to your question is .............. they are found in other communities, just not as many.

There are 4 in my small community in Vancouver ...... 3 of them in the same block, and 1 in the next block. I truly have not noticed any in the part of Kitsilano where I usually go.

Honestly ....... I think there is far more danger from kids' peers and in the school yards than from these dispensaries.

They do need to be regulated as businesses though!
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Reading that, I had a disturbing flashback of Harold Wilson's pipe.
White heat! One can scorn but it is as important now as it was then, it was a new era then as it is now.
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White heat! One can scorn but it is as important now as it was then, it was a new era then as it is now.
Which, as I'm quite certain you know, is my point.
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Should I ask if the neighborhood friendliness vibe is better in Kits or North Bby ie. are the yoga mummies a snooty bunch

Scilly good point about my 'walking distance' comment. Does Burnaby have the marijuana Medical Dispensaries too or just the Van area?


"yoga mummies" are snooty by definition aren't they?



There have been lots of threads on this site about how difficult it is to make friends in Canada.

We've been here now for almost 47 years, and I honestly have not found it difficult.

It is undoubtedly a different country with a different language, often a different sense of humour, and different mores ............. so people will have difficulty adjusting if they expect to be coming to another version of Britain.

I mentioned earlier don't use the word "rubber" for erasers ............ it has a completely different meaning.

Never tell anyone you "will knock them up in the morning" ......... it means something very different

Be careful to use the correct words ............ trunk instead of car boot, hood instead of car bonnet, etc etc etc ......... or people will give you a blank look.


I've never found it a "drop in for a cuppa" place ............ but then, I never really wanted that, and nor did my OH. Both of us had parents who did not drop in on neighbours or have neighbours who dropped in ........... again, it didn't seem the norm in the town where I grew up. Our neighbours have always been friendly, and we sometimes get together for a bbq or something .......... but we're not "drop in" close.


It is harder to make friends as you get older, that's just a fact of life. But get involved in school activities, join clubs, and always smile and say hello to the neighbours on the street. Even those who cannot speak English will at least smile back
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When heading to Vancouver the first area I locked into was Kits. Then as I spent evenings online surveying MLS I veered to more affordable locations, so by the time I recce'd there it was North Burnaby and east Vancouver (around south memorial park). On returning I then found North Burnaby too much and started pondering New West.

Then I ended up even further east, but with a better flag.

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I mentioned earlier don't use the word "rubber" for erasers ............ it has a completely different meaning.

Never tell anyone you "will knock them up in the morning" ......... it means something very different

Be careful to use the correct words ............ trunk instead of car boot, hood instead of car bonnet, etc etc etc ......... or people will give you a blank look.

A pavement is called a sidewalk here.

What they call English cucumbers are just really cucumbers.

And the use of the term "that's a dog's fanny" also means something very different in Canada.
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What they call English cucumbers are just really cucumbers.
true ..............

but they're usually grown in greenhouses, seedless, thin skinned and usually marketed shrink wrapped in plastic.


You can also buy field cucumbers ....... which are rounder, often longer, have tougher skins, a slightly bitter taste, and are usually marketed with the skins waxed so they have to be washed or peeled before use.

English cucumbers can be as much as twice the price.


You should also try lemon cucumbers if you get a chance .......... they are round, yellow, contain seeds, and are usually field grown. These are my favourite, and are more often found at Farmers Markets. No prizes for guessing how they got their name
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