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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by AmyDavid
(Post 11557294)
So I was discussing this thread with a friend tonight. She was a member of a HR forum and she stopped posting on it once it came out that one of the members - who she was friendly with - had been contacting employers and providing links to threads which didn't show the staff member in such a great light.
I don't know why someone would even do this though - it just seems spiteful for spites sake? Like what do they get out of doing that? She said that whilst it didn't happen to her, it opened her eyes to letting her guard down whilst online. This was almost a decade ago, before people used Google Alerts or similar, and whilst I knew this was a public forum, I did feel that what was said here was relatively "safe", you'd have had to go some to dig it up at the time. I'd also assumed that at best there was a code of honour among regulars, at worst they were far too lazy to start emailing and shit stirring... wrong. Shortly after that in another heated debate, a different regular threatened to email someone's boss telling them what their daily average working hours post count on BE was... classy. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
(Post 11557376)
Yep, trying to keep up with it is a huge challenge for parents... particularly when kids are now walking around with pocket-sized porn studios 24/7... there's the other side of this that terrifies me to think about.
As for stuff like Yik Yak... I remember when I was a kid, hearing things like "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me!"... and it's so not true. Sticks and stones can only break bones. Words can shatter a soul. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Biiiiink
(Post 11557715)
Similar happened to me right here in the Canada forum - debating with 2 regular posters, one of them didn't like my opinions and comments and took it upon themselves to email links to them all to the relevant wrist slapper in what they no doubt hoped was a career-ruining move.
This was almost a decade ago, before people used Google Alerts or similar, and whilst I knew this was a public forum, I did feel that what was said here was relatively "safe", you'd have had to go some to dig it up at the time. I'd also assumed that at best there was a code of honour among regulars, at worst they were far too lazy to start emailing and shit stirring... wrong. Shortly after that in another heated debate, a different regular threatened to email someone's boss telling them what their daily average working hours post count on BE was... classy. you're back !!!!! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 11557718)
Why do those being bullied simply refrain from having such accounts?
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Zoe Bell
(Post 11557731)
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@Biiiiink
Well, you were gone for "some time" :) |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
(Post 11557738)
The point is that there's no escape. Turning a blind eye doesn't always work. They get your phone number and text you. They get your email and spam you. There are plenty of cases of kids who have closed accounts, changed phone numbers, even changed schools, but the internet knows no bounds - unless you completely disconnect, there's no hiding from it. These people still have friends and still want to feel connected to the parts of their lives that aren't miserable... I don't think it's as simple as you are making it out to be. It wasn't for me. :(
I am not justifying what the bullies are doing as, clearly, what they are doing is wrong but, if one wishes to be "connected" one must also accept the risks that results. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 11557745)
I have two daughters and numerous nephews and nieces, children of friends that are at an age where they post regularly on such accounts. The ones that choose to give all their details out to everyone, have issues with cyber bullying. Those that don't, don't have any such issues.
I am not justifying what the bullies are doing as, clearly, what they are doing is wrong but, if one wishes to be "connected" one must also accept the risks that results. Your assertion that only people who choose to over-share on social media are likely to become victims of cyberbullying is so asinine it would be funny if the consequences were not so potentially tragic. How did, for example, Rehtaeh Parsons' decision on what to post on her own social media accounts have any bearing on what other people posted about her on theirs? How would not having a Facebook account have prevented her from being driven to suicide? I'm happy for you that your offspring are sufficiently socially confident that bullying is not a problem for them. But excusing the actions of bullies on account of their victims' online behaviour is way, way out of order. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 11557745)
I have two daughters and numerous nephews and nieces, children of friends that are at an age where they post regularly on such accounts. The ones that choose to give all their details out to everyone, have issues with cyber bullying. Those that don't, don't have any such issues.
I am not justifying what the bullies are doing as, clearly, what they are doing is wrong but, if one wishes to be "connected" one must also accept the risks that results. But some kids are bullied for no good reason, and the internet gives the bullies an easy way to carry out their bullying out of sight from parents and teachers. Parents certainly need to educate their kids about the use of social media... and I'm all for parents monitoring what their kids are doing online, both to ensure they aren't being bullied, and to ensure they aren't the bully themselves. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 11557751)
Wow. Do you get vertigo up there on your high horse?
Your assertion that only people who choose to over-share on social media are likely to become victims of cyberbullying is so asinine it would be funny if the consequences were not so potentially tragic. I'm happy for you that your offspring are sufficiently socially confident that bullying is not a problem for them. But excusing the actions of bullies on account of their victims' online behaviour is way, way out of order. I don't believe that I indicated anywhere that my offspring have not been affected by cyber bullying. Perhaps you could show me where I did.
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 11557751)
How did, for example, Rehtaeh Parsons' decision on what to post on her own social media accounts have any bearing on what other people posted about her on theirs? How would not having a Facebook account have prevented her from being driven to suicide?
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
(Post 11557752)
I think that not posting every detail definitely helps things - doesn't give people ammunition.
But some kids are bullied for no good reason, and the internet gives the bullies an easy way to carry out their bullying out of sight from parents and teachers. Parents certainly need to educate their kids about the use of social media... and I'm all for parents monitoring what their kids are doing online, both to ensure they aren't being bullied, and to ensure they aren't the bully themselves. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 11557745)
I have two daughters and numerous nephews and nieces, children of friends that are at an age where they post regularly on such accounts. The ones that choose to give all their details out to everyone, have issues with cyber bullying. Those that don't, don't have any such issues.
I am not justifying what the bullies are doing as, clearly, what they are doing is wrong but, if one wishes to be "connected" one must also accept the risks that results. Risk increases with exposure, simple as that. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11557844)
Perfectly sensible comment IMO.
Risk increases with exposure, simple as that. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 11557800)
Where did I suggest that it would have? If a teenaged child is to operate in a social world dominated by technology and social media, then suggesting that they simply not use social media sites is rather naive. If their genuine friends are arranging to hang out at the mall, or go drink beer in the woods, or even set up a homework study session, they'll likely do so via whatever is the social media site in vogue at the time - whether that's snapchat, twitter, instagram or whatever is the flavour of this week. To prevent a bullied kid from using those sites because that's also where the bullies hang out, is to drive the child further into social isolation and likely increase the possibilty of, erm, negative psychological outcomes. |
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As a parent of teenagers, I am only too aware that they are way ahead of me when it comes to social media (I've never heard of Yik Yak Schnooks?) and am constantly warning them about putting too much of themselves out there, but I don't think even if you are being bullied it's as simple as staying away from the sites. In my day it may have been toilet walls rather than Internet sites, but not reading it didn't mean it wasn't there, with everyone else reading it.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 11557850)
It was my internet name what finally got me captured for doing in them brasses at that farm in Coquitlem.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 11557852)
Everything you said in your previous post heaped blame upon the bullied for allowing themselves to be put in a position (through oversharing on social media) to be bullied in the first place. Since you ask for specifics, how about "The ones that choose to give all their details out to everyone, have issues with cyber bullying. Those that don't, don't have any such issues." So far as I'm aware from the extensive media coverage, the unfortunate Ms Parsons was not renowned for the salacious detail she shared on Facebook. It was what other people posted about her that was so hurtful.
If a teenaged child is to operate in a social world dominated by technology and social media, then suggesting that they simply not use social media sites is rather naive. If their genuine friends are arranging to hang out at the mall, or go drink beer in the woods, or even set up a homework study session, they'll likely do so via whatever is the social media site in vogue at the time - whether that's snapchat, twitter, instagram or whatever is the flavour of this week. To prevent a bullied kid from using those sites because that's also where the bullies hang out, is to drive the child further into social isolation and likely increase the possibilty of, erm, negative psychological outcomes. The bullying element of the risk one takes is, of course, an unfortunate consequences of social media, but it is a risk that is known. I suspect that bullying has existed as long as humans have existed, and it will continue to exist. Out of interest, what advice would you give to one of your children caught in such a situation? |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Biiiiink
(Post 11557715)
Similar happened to me right here in the Canada forum - debating with 2 regular posters, one of them didn't like my opinions and comments and took it upon themselves to email links to them all to the relevant wrist slapper in what they no doubt hoped was a career-ruining move.
This was almost a decade ago, before people used Google Alerts or similar, and whilst I knew this was a public forum, I did feel that what was said here was relatively "safe", you'd have had to go some to dig it up at the time. I'd also assumed that at best there was a code of honour among regulars, at worst they were far too lazy to start emailing and shit stirring... wrong. Shortly after that in another heated debate, a different regular threatened to email someone's boss telling them what their daily average working hours post count on BE was... classy. PS - nice to see you back ;0) |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
(Post 11557752)
Parents certainly need to educate their kids about the use of social media... and I'm all for parents monitoring what their kids are doing online, both to ensure they aren't being bullied, and to ensure they aren't the bully themselves.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
(Post 11557752)
. . . both to ensure they aren't being bullied, and to ensure they aren't the bully themselves.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 11557397)
Just out of curiosity, why?
I understand why some people use it, but why would you not hire someone for not having one? The corporate world sounds confusing, must be why I avoid....;) It can help you ascertain pieces of an organisation chart and contacts (plus communication) method to infiltrate the organisation. If you don't have a LinkedIn account then you are out of touch with modern business to business sales techniques. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by JamesM
(Post 11557898)
If you don't have a LinkedIn account then you are out of touch with modern business to business sales techniques.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by BristolUK
(Post 11557919)
Plus it gives discounts at Hooters. ;)
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 11557870)
Well, I have personal and professional experience of this, and I have also had conferences with numerous child psychologists (primarily through my occupation but also when a child very close to me experienced such issues), all of whom have suggested refraining from using such sites or, if they "have" to be used, to tighten their security settings so as to ensure that only those they wish to contact are able to do so. Of course, I accept that you may believe that I should defer to your greater expertise :p
The bullying element of the risk one takes is, of course, an unfortunate consequences of social media, but it is a risk that is known. I suspect that bullying has existed as long as humans have existed, and it will continue to exist. Out of interest, what advice would you give to one of your children caught in such a situation? As you may have picked up from the tone of my responses, this discussion has touched a nerve. I, too, have experience of a child close to me (not my own) victimised online. It is a very difficult situation to manage. Of course they should be encouraged (and guided as necessary) to tighten security settings, and limit their friends/contacts/buddies to only people they know well and trust. But, as Teaandtoday pointed out a handful of posts back, that does not stop the comments being made, it merely prevents direct exposure to them. It is (or was, in the case I'm familiar with) less than half the battle, as the "real world" gossip is driven by online posts, regardless of whether the victims themselves read the online content. I don't know what advice I would give to my own children. Only one of them is old enough to have a significant online presence, and we have tried as much as we can to balance trust with oversight. That child doesn't do "general" social media such as facebook or instagram, and has agreed that we have a mirror of two email accounts on devices managed by parents. But there's a lot of peer pressure to allow collaborative online gaming, for example, which I am very wary of. Sharing a gaming session with one or two chosen friends on a console is one thing; something as public as joining a group on Clash of Clans, with its public and private messageboards, is something else entirely. I obviously bow to your greater knowledge and professional experience in matters of law, but your comments up-thread came across as somewhat imperious and more than a little simplistic. It is of course a very complicated and emotional subject, but I think I've said my piece and will withdraw from this one now. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 11557943)
I was going to put a :goodpost: thingy on this, but it's a curate's egg for me.
As you may have picked up from the tone of my responses, this discussion has touched a nerve. I, too, have experience of a child close to me (not my own) victimised online. It is a very difficult situation to manage. Of course they should be encouraged (and guided as necessary) to tighten security settings, and limit their friends/contacts/buddies to only people they know well and trust. But, as Teaandtoday pointed out a handful of posts back, that does not stop the comments being made, it merely prevents direct exposure to them. It is (or was, in the case I'm familiar with) less than half the battle, as the "real world" gossip is driven by online posts, regardless of whether the victims themselves read the online content. I don't know what advice I would give to my own children. Only one of them is old enough to have a significant online presence, and we have tried as much as we can to balance trust with oversight. That child doesn't do "general" social media such as facebook or instagram, and has agreed that we have a mirror of two email accounts on devices managed by parents. But there's a lot of peer pressure to allow collaborative online gaming, for example, which I am very wary of. Sharing a gaming session with one or two chosen friends on a console is one thing; something as public as joining a group on Clash of Clans, with its public and private messageboards, is something else entirely. I obviously bow to your greater knowledge and professional experience in matters of law, but your comments up-thread came across as somewhat imperious and more than a little simplistic. It is of course a very complicated and emotional subject, but I think I've said my piece and will withdraw from this one now. I don't believe my expertise in law has any real bearing on this particular subject and, again, I apologise if I came across as imperious. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Teaandtoday5
(Post 11557864)
As a parent of teenagers, I am only too aware that they are way ahead of me when it comes to social media (I've never heard of Yik Yak Schnooks?) and am constantly warning them about putting too much of themselves out there, but I don't think even if you are being bullied it's as simple as staying away from the sites. In my day it may have been toilet walls rather than Internet sites, but not reading it didn't mean it wasn't there, with everyone else reading it.
Here's an article CTV did on it back in December: Thousands want gossip app Yik Yak shut down | CTV News And here's another from CBC two weeks ago: Yik Yak app: Why schools are concerned - Technology & Science - CBC News
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 11557943)
I was going to put a :goodpost: thingy on this, but it's a curate's egg for me.
As you may have picked up from the tone of my responses, this discussion has touched a nerve. I, too, have experience of a child close to me (not my own) victimised online. It is a very difficult situation to manage. Of course they should be encouraged (and guided as necessary) to tighten security settings, and limit their friends/contacts/buddies to only people they know well and trust. But, as Teaandtoday pointed out a handful of posts back, that does not stop the comments being made, it merely prevents direct exposure to them. It is (or was, in the case I'm familiar with) less than half the battle, as the "real world" gossip is driven by online posts, regardless of whether the victims themselves read the online content.
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
I don't know what advice I would give to my own children. Only one of them is old enough to have a significant online presence, and we have tried as much as we can to balance trust with oversight. That child doesn't do "general" social media such as facebook or instagram, and has agreed that we have a mirror of two email accounts on devices managed by parents. But there's a lot of peer pressure to allow collaborative online gaming, for example, which I am very wary of. Sharing a gaming session with one or two chosen friends on a console is one thing; something as public as joining a group on Clash of Clans, with its public and private messageboards, is something else entirely.
This thread has touched a nerve for me also. It was never cyber for me - luckily my bullying was before that - but it was still bullying over a 6-year period. |
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Back to the OP, is it only me that doesn't have an account on any of the social media sites ... such as Facebook, linkden, Twitter, myspace, netlog, blogs or whatever else selfies like to do?
Is there a need for it, can folks live without it, then again BE is another social forum I suppose I had to google to find what they are http://webtrends.about.com/od/social...king-Sites.htm |
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I don't have a facebook account.
I have a twitter account so that I can see what my brother is up to. I've never posted. Obviously I have a blog , but it was set up for a specific reason/topic |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by not2old
(Post 11558699)
Back to the OP, is it only me that doesn't have an account on any of the social media sites ... such as Facebook, linkden, Twitter, myspace, netlog, blogs or whatever else selfies like to do?
Is there a need for it, can folks live without it, then again BE is another social forum I suppose I had to google to find what they are Top 15 Social Networking Sites You Should Be Using |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11558724)
Twitter is good. You don't need to post, but can opt in to 'tweets' from people or businesses that interest you.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by AmyDavid
(Post 11558821)
For my OH's business Twitter is a must but I don't think I could get into it for personal tweeting.
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I still have not figured out the interest in Twitter. Not sure I see what use it provides.
I had an account there but seemed to hacked into a fee times, pain really. |
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Twitter is great for breaking local news and emergencies, weather alerts, traffic, specials at stores where you shop, and if you follow the right correspondents you can get news from around the world before it gets on the air anywhere else. It also (as Zoe mentioned) helps keep in touch with some distant friends and family.
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 11558907)
Twitter is great for breaking local news and emergencies, weather alerts, traffic, specials at stores where you shop
Specials at stores? The mind boggles. :huh: It also helps keep in touch with some distant friends and family. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Obviously you aren't familiar with the generic " annual family letter" of yore.
How was that any different. It was in fact pretty much exactly the photocopied letter you describe |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Jsmth321
(Post 11558878)
I still have not figured out the interest in Twitter. Not sure I see what use it provides.
I had an account there but seemed to hacked into a fee times, pain really. |
Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by Zoe Bell
(Post 11558930)
Obviously you aren't familiar with the generic " annual family letter" of yore.
How was that any different. It was in fact pretty much exactly the photocopied letter you describe I can understand, for example, that the birth of a child could be announced this way but other stuff not so much. |
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Re: Internet Forums & Stalking....
Originally Posted by caretaker
(Post 11558907)
Twitter is great for breaking local news and emergencies, weather alerts, traffic, specials at stores where you shop, and if you follow the right correspondents you can get news from around the world before it gets on the air anywhere else. It also (as Zoe mentioned) helps keep in touch with some distant friends and family.
I use FB for that since none of my family is on twitter, so might explain why I don't see the use for it. Makes sense though if you want news and such. I suppose technology and me don't mix well, aside from old fashioned forums like this one,:rofl: I guess if I had unlimited data on the phone or a high limit, twitter might make sense. I keep my data off, but maybe one day, I'll become more in tune with twitter. It took me years to accept FB. |
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I imagine with about 5 minutes work people could probably get my real name and stuff but I'm not particularly fussed. Come round and say hello.
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