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Shard Mar 24th 2014 11:11 am

How Rich Are You ?
 
That's the title of the article below. No need to answer !! :unsure:;)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/b...h-are-you.html

It's a succinct little table and if you times it by 1.6X or 1.8X or 2.0X it probably converts for Canada too.

ann m Mar 24th 2014 12:25 pm

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 
Bloody Telegraph - blocks me - and I refuse to subscribe. How rich am I then?

R I C H Mar 24th 2014 12:30 pm

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100%

Tirytory Mar 24th 2014 12:39 pm

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Doesn't seem right to me at all. According to that chart, we were on the 9th level in the UK, but that income certainly didn't make us rich. I was very comfortable in our 3bed semi and didn't want to move- which was good as we couldn't afford the next rung on the ladder. We had to watch money carefully...although I appreciate our fortunate position.

Ooh I've just had a thought is that meant to be after tax? I could move down several rungs if so:)

Novocastrian Mar 24th 2014 12:51 pm

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Originally Posted by ann m (Post 11189131)
Bloody Telegraph - blocks me - and I refuse to subscribe. How rich am I then?

Very rich...the Telegraph is blocked for you. :)

Novocastrian Mar 24th 2014 12:54 pm

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 

Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 11189154)
Doesn't seem right to me at all. According to that chart, we were on the 9th level in the UK, but that income certainly didn't make us rich. I was very comfortable in our 3bed semi and didn't want to move- which was good as we couldn't afford the next rung on the ladder. We had to watch money carefully...although I appreciate our fortunate position.

Ooh I've just had a thought is that meant to be after tax? I could move down several rungs if so:)

It's the Telegraph, comfort food for the lumpen-bourgoisie.

I want to know how high I rank in the top ten percentile now that the OH has retired early.

Shard Mar 24th 2014 12:55 pm

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 

Originally Posted by ann m (Post 11189131)
Bloody Telegraph - blocks me - and I refuse to subscribe. How rich am I then?

Someone else on BE suggested a way around that. If you put your browser (Chrome) on Incognito mode you should be able to view articles.

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 24th 2014 12:58 pm

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 
using that chart and converting our household income for 2013 into pounds, we fall into the bottom category.

Tirytory Mar 24th 2014 1:04 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11189169)
It's the Telegraph, comfort food for the lumpen-bourgoisie.

I want to know how high I rank in the top ten percentile now that the OH has retired early.

Ah I see but only cause I had to go and bloomin google it. Never heard the "Lumpen" part of that expression before. Thought you were making words up again for half a sec;) but now I realise you're just more intelligent than moi :p

Novocastrian Mar 24th 2014 1:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 11189176)
Ah I see but only cause I had to go and bloomin google it. Never heard the "Lumpen" part of that expression before.

Nor has anyone else. I was rather pleased with the bilingual compound noun, so I asked my nonsensically intelligent trilingual son (sitting in the next room over, playing some sort of video thingy) if I'd coined a new word.

He said, "Yes, Dad, you're sick you know?"

Tangram Mar 24th 2014 1:18 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11189184)
Nor has anyone else. I was rather pleased with the bilingual compound noun, so I asked my nonsensically intelligent trilingual son (sitting in the next room over, playing some sort of video thingy) if I'd coined a new word.

He said, "Yes, Dad, you're sick you know?"

I think 'sick' is good with the youfs.

Novocastrian Mar 24th 2014 1:20 pm

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 11189191)
I think 'sick' is good with the youfs.

One never knows.

dbd33 Mar 24th 2014 1:35 pm

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 
I believe it to be the case that both of my working children are in the top 10%, one in the UK, one in Canada. Are they rich? Give over, even with funding for one degree each, they have each have massive student debt from subsequent qualifications. Maybe most people earning the incomes shown at the top of the scale are rich but it's not because of the income so much as the fact that coming from money makes you more likely to have a high income.

Signed,

A Broke Guy.

Novocastrian Mar 24th 2014 1:48 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11189209)
I believe it to be the case that both of my working children are in the top 10%, one in the UK, one in Canada. Are they rich? Give over, even with funding for one degree each, they have each have massive student debt from subsequent qualifications. Maybe most people earning the incomes shown at the top of the scale are rich but it's not because of the income so much as the fact that coming from money makes you more likely to have a high income.

Signed,

A Broke Guy.

Dear Broke Guy,

I understand your dilemma. The fundamental flaw in the Torygraph (can I say it again, oh, please:), lumpen-bourgoisie shit, is that being rich is not directly (or even vaguely) connected to income.

A Smug Liberal.

JamesM Mar 24th 2014 1:50 pm

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 
More money more problems.

dbd33 Mar 24th 2014 1:54 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11189221)
being rich is not directly (or even vaguely) connected to income.

Quite.

RICH Mar 24th 2014 1:55 pm

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Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 11189140)
100%

:wave:

Novocastrian Mar 24th 2014 2:06 pm

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 

Originally Posted by RICH (Post 11189230)
:wave:

Very good. What if you were called Peter Oswald Oliver Robertson?

Tirytory Mar 24th 2014 2:12 pm

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11189225)
More money more problems.

I think that's exactly it :)

Novocastrian Mar 24th 2014 2:15 pm

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Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 11189239)
I think that's exactly it :)

I can't think why? Probably James is thinking about football.

Shard Mar 24th 2014 7:12 pm

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11189209)
I believe it to be the case that both of my working children are in the top 10%, one in the UK, one in Canada. Are they rich? Give over, even with funding for one degree each, they have each have massive student debt from subsequent qualifications. Maybe most people earning the incomes shown at the top of the scale are rich but it's not because of the income so much as the fact that coming from money makes you more likely to have a high income.

Signed,

A Broke Guy.

Looking at the chart, the inference is that the more children one has, the richer one will be !!

MillieF Mar 24th 2014 9:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11189169)
It's the Telegraph, comfort food for the lumpen-bourgoisie.
.

I was lumpen-bourgoisie when I came to Canada (very nice term Oink:thumbup:) and have moved seamlessly to food parcels since.

lookingtogo Mar 24th 2014 10:08 pm

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100K GBP is rich? Never thought so.

Zoe Bell Mar 25th 2014 12:22 am

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http://youtu.be/U8Kum8OUTuk

cheeky_monkey Mar 25th 2014 12:23 am

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11189225)
More money more problems.

This...according to this im very rich..however the more money i earn the skinter i become...maybe i should ask for a big pay cut then i would be minted:confused:

scrubbedexpat091 Mar 25th 2014 12:26 am

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 

Originally Posted by lookingtogo (Post 11189608)
100K GBP is rich? Never thought so.

Suppose it depends on each individual, what might be rich to one, could be consider poor to another, I don't think we can really set a minimum on what is rich and what isn't.

To me someone making 100k GBP (184k CAD apparently) is rather rich in my eyes, but to someone else, it might not be.

orly Mar 25th 2014 12:42 am

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I live in one of the nicest countries there is
I'm relatively healthy
I have a good family and job.

I'd say that's richness.

Tirytory Mar 25th 2014 1:21 am

Re: How Rich Are You ?
 

Originally Posted by orly (Post 11189850)
I live in one of the nicest countries there is
I'm relatively healthy
I have a good family and job.

I'd say that's richness.

Along Orly comes to make me feel ungrateful :) I agree by the way. My job always was a great leveller, when you diagnose cancer day in and day out, then you appreciate what you have.

Oakvillian Mar 25th 2014 1:25 am

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11189447)
Looking at the chart, the inference is that the more children one has, the richer one will be !!

Quite the opposite, I think. The more children one has, the more one needs to earn to consider oneself richer than a given percentage of one's peers. A singleton earning 40k would be in the 90th percentile of earnings; a sole-breadwinner for a couple with two children, on the same salary, would be only in about the 45th percentile of earnings for 2-child families.

JamesM Mar 25th 2014 2:14 am

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11189248)
I can't think why? Probably James is thinking about football.

Football, Beer or Women. The mind rotates.

But back on thread as Oakvillian points out above dependents kill wealth.

I have an Uncle who as top surgeon should be immensely wealthy but two divorces (both stay at home wives) and three kids well and truly buggered that.

The final factor is simply man's ability to live within his means. I earn twice what I earned 6 years ago but spend twice on my rent and costs so the net gain is eradicated for my own perceived self improvement.

Assets are a measure of wealth. Income is merely a tool to get there if used correctly.

dbd33 Mar 25th 2014 2:20 am

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11189977)
But back on thread as Oakvillian points out above dependents kill wealth.

Isn't seeing one's children grow and flourish enough wealth for anyone?























</orlyish claptrap mode>

Shard Mar 25th 2014 2:22 am

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Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 11189918)
Quite the opposite, I think. The more children one has, the more one needs to earn to consider oneself richer than a given percentage of one's peers. A singleton earning 40k would be in the 90th percentile of earnings; a sole-breadwinner for a couple with two children, on the same salary, would be only in about the 45th percentile of earnings for 2-child families.

Yes of course. I should have added the irony smiley to the last comment. :)

But as was noted in a thread yonks ago, the production of children does tend incentivise more work and (in theory) asset accumulation!

dbd33 Mar 25th 2014 2:24 am

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11189990)
But as was noted in a thread yonks ago, the production of children does tend incentivise more work and (in theory) asset accumulation!

More work, yes. More income, yes. Asset accumulation, not so much.

Shard Mar 25th 2014 2:30 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11189992)
More work, yes. More income, yes. Asset accumulation, not so much.

Many will seek to maximise their property (whether size or area) for the benefit of the kids. It becomes less a priority for singletons and couple. Of course property is only one type if asset, but for most, it's the main one.

Souvy Mar 25th 2014 2:36 am

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I find that table a bit bemusing.

We are at the top of that table. Where does all the sodding money go?

orly Mar 25th 2014 2:37 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11189986)
</orlyish claptrap mode>

I'm the product of a Waldorf education ;)

Shard Mar 25th 2014 2:44 am

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Originally Posted by Souvy (Post 11190012)
I find that table a bit bemusing.

We are at the top of that table. Where does all the sodding money go?

Well a good chunk goes to the government.

JamesM Mar 25th 2014 2:47 am

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Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11190027)
Well a good chunk goes to the government.

Then there is the bartender......

orly Mar 25th 2014 2:48 am

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There is a difference between "rich" and being in the "top (richest) decile"

If my wife and I were earning the equivalent of 88k GBP (guessing that's in the $140k range?) between us we'd likely feel pretty well off.

Souvy Mar 25th 2014 2:50 am

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11190031)
Then there is the bartender......

If you have one. I can't remember the last time I went to a bar.


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