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Gozit Jan 20th 2014 7:38 am

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 11086622)
A British passport gives you both EU and Commonwealth citizenship and allows you to travel to the most countries visa-free worldwide so it's more valuable than most other European passports in that sense.

Thank you!

Gozit Jan 20th 2014 7:41 am

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11086672)
I see your argument has changed a little.

I'm sure any benefits of being British would be extended should a European Passport replace it.

As for it being more valuable than other passports in Europe that is a different argument.

But if you have a "European" passport how would the immi authorities of a country tell your British? Thats like say, going to a border with an American passport, saying you're British and want to avail commonwealth benefits. They will say you are American because you are using a US passport, and US is not part of the commonwealth, so no commonwealth benefits for you...

JamesM Jan 20th 2014 7:53 am

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx (Post 11087982)
But if you have a "European" passport how would the immi authorities of a country tell your British? Thats like say, going to a border with an American passport, saying you're British and want to avail commonwealth benefits. They will say you are American because you are using a US passport, and US is not part of the commonwealth, so no commonwealth benefits for you...

I don't really know what you are talking about now.

If European passports are bought in then being British would be irrelevant as would other European nationalities.

Your original argument was that a passport for the whole of Europe would be a bad idea. Yet you have produced no evidence to suggest why?

You have simply started arguing about the benefits of having a British passport today versus other European countries. Changing an argument because you have no rational is irrational.

Gozit Jan 20th 2014 11:36 am

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11088005)

Your original argument was that a passport for the whole of Europe would be a bad idea. Yet you have produced no evidence to suggest why?

You have simply started arguing about the benefits of having a British passport today versus other European countries. Changing an argument because you have no rational is irrational.

I havent changed my argument. My point is that if a single European nationality was introduced, the benefits of having British nationality and passport (such as Commonwealth and possibly UK/Rep. of Ireland Common travel area) over another European nationality, say French, would not be available anymore... That is why a single European passport is a bad idea.

JamesM Jan 21st 2014 1:55 am

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx (Post 11088318)
I havent changed my argument. My point is that if a single European nationality was introduced, the benefits of having British nationality and passport (such as Commonwealth and possibly UK/Rep. of Ireland Common travel area) over another European nationality, say French, would not be available anymore... That is why a single European passport is a bad idea.

I'm still not understanding how a British passport, with all these "wider benefits" you speak of gets you in and out of an airport faster than any other European passport.

Therefore there is nothing to suggest that any benefit of having a British passport would be lost by moving to a European one.

The collective bargaining of a single European passport would no doubt drive much wider benefits.

januarymix Jan 21st 2014 6:13 am

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11075318)
For fun.

I pulled this from Facebook.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/how-british-are-you

It told me I was "American" :confused:

I'm as British as David Beckham's right foot - must be all zat tea drinking'. Fetch me another cuppa Earl Grey, luv :thumbup:

Gozit Jan 21st 2014 8:52 am

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11089161)
I'm still not understanding how a British passport, with all these "wider benefits" you speak of gets you in and out of an airport faster than any other European passport.

Therefore there is nothing to suggest that any benefit of having a British passport would be lost by moving to a European one.

The collective bargaining of a single European passport would no doubt drive much wider benefits.

Such as?

BritInParis Jan 21st 2014 9:01 am

Re: How British are you?
 
If there was a United States of Europe and the UK had been abolished I think I'd have concerns other than my passport.

not2old Jan 21st 2014 9:19 am

Re: How British are you?
 
If this is just about a single European passport (all for the sake of saving a few bucks on the price) with each country continues with their independent self governance - sure why not.

Then again isn't the EU passport already in existence?

Should all of the European countries unite as a single country (with each country as a state similar to the US) then there would likely be Armageddon over who would be the Emperor ... Tony Blair maybe or Angela.

The Royal family would be the first to go

BritInParis Jan 21st 2014 9:45 am

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11090117)
If this is just about a single European passport (all for the sake of saving a few bucks on the price) with each country continues with their independent self governance - sure why not.

Then again isn't the EU passport already in existence?

Should all of the European countries unite as a single country (with each country as a state similar to the US) then there would likely be Armageddon over who would be the Emperor ... Tony Blair maybe or Angela.

The Royal family would be the first to go

If anything we're moving further and further away from that scenario.

Shard Jan 21st 2014 10:31 am

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 11090178)
If anything we're moving further and further away from that scenario.

You must be joking.

BritInParis Jan 21st 2014 12:25 pm

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11090256)
You must be joking.

Considering the UK is about to commit to an in/out referendum on our EU membership can you ever see any British government signing up to abolish the UK? Even if you want to be facetiously cynical about it, why would any British politician sign away their powers? Even the French and German governments have lost faith in the European Project. Eurocrats in Brussels may still dream but there's precious little interest anywhere else. The whole thing is more likely to fold than became a single superstate.

Shard Jan 21st 2014 12:34 pm

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 11090398)
Considering the UK is about to commit to an in/out referendum on our EU membership can you ever see any British government signing up to abolish the UK? Even if you want to be facetiously cynical about it, why would any British politician sign away their powers? Even the French and German governments have lost faith in the European Project. Eurocrats in Brussels may still dream but there's precious little interest anywhere else. The whole thing is more likely to fold than became a single superstate.

I'll concede that there's a possibility that Britain would opt out, were a referendum ever to be held. Nevertheless, a European superstate is about a decade away. The fact that the members were able to survive the financial crisis of the past three years is rather awe inspiring. Eurocrats are plotting and plodding to bring the project to fruition, and we lowly citizens have very little say on the matter.

BritInParis Jan 21st 2014 12:47 pm

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11090410)
I'll concede that there's a possibility that Britain would opt out, were a referendum ever to be held. Nevertheless, a European superstate is about a decade away. The fact that the members were able to survive the financial crisis of the past three years is rather awe inspiring. Eurocrats are plotting and plodding to bring the project to fruition, and we lowly citizens have very little say on the matter.

From a financial point of view Germany is going to want to include greater borrowing and spending controls on the Eurozone member states to avoid a repeat performance but the idea that individual nation states will be abolished within the next ten years is really stretching it. Eurocrats may want it but anti-EU sentiment is rife amongst voters - it's just not going to happen. It would be political suicide for a party in any of the major EU countries to try and go in that direction.

not2old Jan 21st 2014 9:35 pm

Re: How British are you?
 

Originally Posted by gozitanguygoinghome99xx (Post 11088318)
I havent changed my argument. My point is that if a single European nationality was introduced, the benefits of having British nationality and passport (such as Commonwealth and possibly UK/Rep. of Ireland Common travel area) over another European nationality, say French, would not be available anymore... That is why a single European passport is a bad idea.

http://www.maltatoday.com.mt/en/busi...ramme-20131016

Consider the allure of an EU passport for the people who really want it and for those who can afford it. Paying a $250,000 cash donation to the St Kitts' Sugar Industry Diversification Foundation allows new citizens to travel without a visa to over a hundred countries, including Canada and Europe - apart from not paying income taxes.

In Malta, €650,000 will buy you an EU passport that allows you to move around 28 member states, take up residence in Germany if you wish, and repatriate profits to Malta for tax rebates - and visa-free travel across most of the world.


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