Guns
May 29th 2014 | 3:57 am
#31
The ride never ends
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,481
From: SW Ontario
Re: Guns
Massacres occur from time to time in the first world because of deranged individuals. Even with tight controls you can't stop everything. In lesser developed nations like the USA the massacres happen more regularly because the society as a whole is generally more violent and prone to idiocy. It's not because they have "more guns". There are plenty of guns floating around in Canada, Switzerland, Finland and basically every other country. It's probably because they're just more aggressive and have a misplaced superiority complex and it leeches into everything.
May 29th 2014 | 4:09 am
#33
Assimilated Pauper
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 40,070
From: Ontario
Re: Guns
Massacres occur from time to time in the first world because of deranged individuals. Even with tight controls you can't stop everything. In lesser developed nations like the USA the massacres happen more regularly because the society as a whole is generally more violent and prone to idiocy. It's not because they have "more guns". There are plenty of guns floating around in Canada, Switzerland, Finland and basically every other country. It's probably because they're just more aggressive and have a misplaced superiority complex and it leeches into everything.
May 29th 2014 | 4:19 am
#36
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Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 20,188
Re: Guns
Guns have two purposes. To kill things and to practice killing things. The problem arises when people fetishize about the former purpose and the power that comes from this fantasy. The issue with these mass killings is that they take on a sort of ecstatic form of violence, they become the spectacle. While they seem sensless to the public, the media and the State actually gain power and derive purpose from these acts. You only have to watch the television after an act to see the States’ actors all lined up with their best uniforms almost gleaming with renewed sense of purpose and power, or the TV pundits analyzing every bit of information with their ad hoc psychology and general bollocks.
I have some guns locked away, but I see them like old toothbrushes, I’m not sure why I still keep them, but they’ve had and probably still have a purpose but I don’t romanticize them.
I have some guns locked away, but I see them like old toothbrushes, I’m not sure why I still keep them, but they’ve had and probably still have a purpose but I don’t romanticize them.
May 29th 2014 | 5:08 am
#38
Realist
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 24,667
From: UK
Re: Guns
It's a big place. I don't think you can say that. Pockets of backwardness at most.
On the video games / movies thing, it's the 1 out of 10,000 that are affected that I am concerned about. Like you, I'm one of the 9999 that are not. Nevertheless, the whole genre seems wrong footed to me. I appreciate that people get a thrill out of it, but that have been conditioned to do so. Maybe in the same way that we all used to laugh at bear baiting or even public executions. I think the future will see violent entertainment as somewhat barbaric.
On the video games / movies thing, it's the 1 out of 10,000 that are affected that I am concerned about. Like you, I'm one of the 9999 that are not. Nevertheless, the whole genre seems wrong footed to me. I appreciate that people get a thrill out of it, but that have been conditioned to do so. Maybe in the same way that we all used to laugh at bear baiting or even public executions. I think the future will see violent entertainment as somewhat barbaric.
May 29th 2014 | 5:10 am
#39
Realist
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 24,667
From: UK
Re: Guns
I seem to recall on the last guns thread that you were singing the virtues of guns as objects, their workmanship, etc..
May 29th 2014 | 5:10 am
#40
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Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 20,188
Re: Guns
It's a big place. I don't think you can say that. Pockets of backwardness at most.
On the video games / movies thing, it's the 1 out of 10,000 that are affected that I am concerned about. Like you, I'm one of the 9999 that are not. Nevertheless, the whole genre seems wrong footed to me. I appreciate that people get a thrill out of it, but that have been conditioned to do so. Maybe in the same way that we all used to laugh at bear baiting or even public executions. I think the future will see violent entertainment as somewhat barbaric.
On the video games / movies thing, it's the 1 out of 10,000 that are affected that I am concerned about. Like you, I'm one of the 9999 that are not. Nevertheless, the whole genre seems wrong footed to me. I appreciate that people get a thrill out of it, but that have been conditioned to do so. Maybe in the same way that we all used to laugh at bear baiting or even public executions. I think the future will see violent entertainment as somewhat barbaric.
May 29th 2014 | 5:19 am
#42
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 10,000
Re: Guns
If you don't like it,it's simple to leave!
What gives anyone the right to enter another country and demand that they change their laws because you don't like something?
Typical Brits!
If you are going to live in another country,embrace that culture,and it's laws,if not then you are clearly in the wrong country!
Confused UK you clearly are confused as you would be denied a PAL if you have a criminal record,your partner or even ex partner must sign your application and you must provide references and a letter or report from the police.
AK47's and M16's are fully automatic rifles which are prohibited in Canada,clearly another case of people talking about things that they have no idea about!
Do any of you know any farmers?
I do and their lands and livestock are damaged by coyotes,wolves,cougar,bear,and wild boar,some of these are pack animals,again you would rather have a semi automatic than a bolt or lever action rifle!
Did you also know that semi auto rifles have magazine restrictions in Canada limiting them to 5 rounds?
Again I didn't think any of you did.
So many people are so fast to chirp in their uneducated opinions,it's laughable.
Please if you are going to post about something then at least educate yourselves on it first,is that too much to ask?
What gives anyone the right to enter another country and demand that they change their laws because you don't like something?
Typical Brits!
If you are going to live in another country,embrace that culture,and it's laws,if not then you are clearly in the wrong country!
Confused UK you clearly are confused as you would be denied a PAL if you have a criminal record,your partner or even ex partner must sign your application and you must provide references and a letter or report from the police.
AK47's and M16's are fully automatic rifles which are prohibited in Canada,clearly another case of people talking about things that they have no idea about!
Do any of you know any farmers?
I do and their lands and livestock are damaged by coyotes,wolves,cougar,bear,and wild boar,some of these are pack animals,again you would rather have a semi automatic than a bolt or lever action rifle!
Did you also know that semi auto rifles have magazine restrictions in Canada limiting them to 5 rounds?
Again I didn't think any of you did.
So many people are so fast to chirp in their uneducated opinions,it's laughable.
Please if you are going to post about something then at least educate yourselves on it first,is that too much to ask?
May 29th 2014 | 5:40 am
#43
Dive Bar Drunk
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,671
From: Toronto
Re: Guns
Oh dear more ******* anti's,you lot are everywhere these days.
Have any of you got a PAL?
DO any of you know the process of applying for a firearms license at all?
I own 13 rifles and a shotgun now,5 of those rifles being semi-automatics.
I enjoy target shooting,my kids love target shooting,even the missus enjoys plinking away at targets.
We do NO one any harm,never have a notion to go out and shoot anyone,and when I come home from work my rifles are all still standing in their cabinets without running out shooting at people,imagine that!
Maybe my rifles are just lazy?
Or maybe it's not friggin firearms that kill people,its idiots,criminals that kill people,and if those people are going to kill people they will do it with bombs,knives,cars,bats,whatever.
When I lived in Scotland there were 3 family men beaten to death by teenage gangs after telling the teens to stop kicking car mirrors,no firearms involved at all!
Have any of you got a PAL?
DO any of you know the process of applying for a firearms license at all?
I own 13 rifles and a shotgun now,5 of those rifles being semi-automatics.
I enjoy target shooting,my kids love target shooting,even the missus enjoys plinking away at targets.
We do NO one any harm,never have a notion to go out and shoot anyone,and when I come home from work my rifles are all still standing in their cabinets without running out shooting at people,imagine that!
Maybe my rifles are just lazy?
Or maybe it's not friggin firearms that kill people,its idiots,criminals that kill people,and if those people are going to kill people they will do it with bombs,knives,cars,bats,whatever.
When I lived in Scotland there were 3 family men beaten to death by teenage gangs after telling the teens to stop kicking car mirrors,no firearms involved at all!
Big deal having guns in a cabinet? The thing is it only takes one of your kids to get angry, take one of the 13 options you have given them and shoot one person and there is a big tragedy.
Shooting a man in the head is with out question more fatal than punching a man in the head. Guns are bad news full stop and end of.
Law enforcement, Military, Skilled, trained and heavily regulated hunters and northerners should be the only people.
Good thread London Mike we've pulled a few out of the woodwork.
Last edited by JamesM; May 29th 2014 at 5:45 am.
May 29th 2014 | 6:01 am
#45
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 635
Re: Guns
I don't think this is a licensing issue. A mad gunman here could apply for a PAL and then buy firearms legitimately. He likely wouldn't be granted a second PAL after a shooting spree but that's a bit stable door. It seems to me that the only way to reduce the number of shooting victims is to reduce the firepower of available weapons and, beyond that, to take the weapons away completely. Even if scootb is responsible, and having a license says nothing about that, there's no way of knowing if other members of his household are responsible, still less his burglars.
This is, as noted above, really a matter for the Canadians, rather than the immigrants. They're comfortable with a reasonable level of random death as part of the price of freedom to keep arms. We only need to be aware of that before moving here.
This is, as noted above, really a matter for the Canadians, rather than the immigrants. They're comfortable with a reasonable level of random death as part of the price of freedom to keep arms. We only need to be aware of that before moving here.
