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Old Feb 25th 2016 | 3:33 am
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
I am working on the treatment part. Even with self pay there isnt a whole lot of qualified people that deal with borderline but Ive made calls and waiting for call backs for phone discussion next week at a couple of places.
Have you tried an approach via a social worker, rather than directly?
 
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I read it as venting. Which is fine by me.

I am, however, shocked & disbelieving (not JS specifically) at the lack of mental health facilities/help available in BC .
That's simple, mental health treatment costs a lot of money, in funding terms, its considered a black hole.
 
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That's simple, mental health treatment costs a lot of money, in funding terms, its considered a black hole.
It's free, with some provisos, in QC.
 
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It's free, with some provisos, in QC.
Not for the ministry of health.
 
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I think he's figured out that his mental illness is the enemy part. I'm sure he'd much rather have a positive and gregarious attitude, he just can't at the moment. So saying "pull your socks up" when one doesn't wear socks is not terribly helpful either.
Pff, people make a big deal about mental illness, but the reality is you can make doctors hate you be using one of these simple tricks:-

Depression
Spoiler:
Cheer up a bit ffs


Bi-polar
Spoiler:
Calm down/cheer up as appropriate


Anxiety
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Get over it you pussy


Anorexia
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Not for the ministry of health.
I'm afraid you've "whooshed" me

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I'm afraid you've "whooshed" me

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I think he is suggesting that the Ministry of Health has a budget allocated to them. If the mental health portion is say $100 million but they actually need $200 million then they will have to cut services back in other areas or ask for more to be allocated which in most cases aint gonna happen.
 
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I'm afraid you've "whooshed" me

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Sorry, I meant the reason mental health is often seen as lacking is because from a public finance perspective it’s very expensive. Most often treatment is terribly time consuming and the demand is very high. If you couple that with Canada’s problem of economy of scale, it’s amazing that it is offered at all.
 
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I think he is suggesting that the Ministry of Health has a budget allocated to them. If the mental health portion is say $100 million but they actually need $200 million then they will have to cut services back in other areas or ask for more to be allocated which in most cases aint gonna happen.
From a policy perspective, it is seen as a never ending issue. No matter how much funding it gets, its never enough.


If you want to see a portion of the scale of the problem, just pop down to the “skid row” area of any major city. Its bleak.
 
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I think he's figured out that his mental illness is the enemy part. I'm sure he'd much rather have a positive and gregarious attitude, he just can't at the moment. So saying "pull your socks up" when one doesn't wear socks is not terribly helpful either.
My bad. I'd let the mental health bit escape me.

Someone with genuine mental health issues, fine.

Others can possibly do without the meds, therapy and cotton wool treatment because a bleedin' good slap would probably work better. I can think of a fair few that I'm related to by birth or marriages.
 
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
I am working on the treatment part. Even with self pay there isnt a whole lot of qualified people that deal with borderline but Ive made calls and waiting for call backs for phone discussion next week at a couple of places.
IMO that's the place to start, work on the treatment options and then hopefully you will feel better about yourself and life and doors will open

You aren't too old so there's time for you to get sorted. One step at a time.
 
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Originally Posted by Shirtback
Have you tried an approach via a social worker, rather than directly?
Mental Health units have long wait times, a year or more is not uncommon and when you move you go to the bottom of the list again in the new community.

I have found it difficult to obtain counselling via the public system, it's offered on a small scale, short term in a group format normally, but the system for mental health is set up to use medication as the primary method of treatment.

I need long term therapy and counselling and that just isn't going to be found in most of the mental health units, especially for borderline.

It's not just BC though borderline treatment is difficult to obtain across most of Canada, and where its available the waits are very long.

People like my wife are those who the system is designed for, prescribe medication, get the person sufficiently stable, and see a psychiatrist a couple of times per year, and throw in some short term group sessions.

It's more then just a money issue, you can toss all the money into the system you want, but without sufficient mental health professionals in the system to provide service, not much can change.

Would be very beneficial if the healthcare system realized psychiatrists are not the end all be all for mental health and would provide coverage for psychologists and counselors.

A psychiatrist for me is of no use, my appointments are nothing more then 10 minutes to make sure I am not going to off myself.

No medication on the planet will treat borderline as a whole, all meds do is treat symptoms like depression and even then they don't do a whole lot to improve life.

There is a reason people who can end up going to the US and paying multiple thousands for treatment.


One of many examples of articles on the subject.

Borderline personality therapy is scarce, costly | Toronto Star


Bottom line, borderline is pricey to treat and its easier to just not deal with it or deal with it on a very limited basis in a public healthcare system.

Ontario has issues as well, but the are still ahead of BC when it comes to this disorder.
 
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Yes it is the place to start. I do get frustrated and am at time a little impatient since its taken so long to even get to this point.

I started this whole adventure towards help over 5 years ago now..... And if I had been able to start baxk then, who knows how far I could be now.





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IMO that's the place to start, work on the treatment options and then hopefully you will feel better about yourself and life and doors will open

You aren't too old so there's time for you to get sorted. One step at a time.
 
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Yes it is the place to start. I do get frustrated and am at time a little impatient since its taken so long to even get to this point.

I started this whole adventure towards help over 5 years ago now..... And if I had been able to start baxk then, who knows how far I could be now
You're still further forward now than you were 5 years ago.

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Here is another example of how the govt job process works.

As is known, my wife works for National Defence. Some time back, she worked alongside a woman who then moved to a senior position in a completely different government organisation.

This morning she sent my wife an email. The content of the email can be summarised as: "Are you looking for a change? I have a position I need to fill. Are you interested?"

Note the use of "I".

That's a direct approach from the future boss. Whatever is written in the official job description is largely irrelevant.
 


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