Goodbye Stephen H., or more arrogance?
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It can only help Harper win a majority in the next election.
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The egomaniac will bully the wimp, and the separatist will threaten to leave if they don't get what they want. It can only help Harper win a majority in the next election.
The NDP and the Bloc are going to be wielding increasingly disproportional influence in exchange for continued support. Might be merry times ahead for the unions in Ontario and the arts in Quebec but not much to cheer about for Western Canada.
Of course, the REALLY daft thing is that if a month down the road the Bloc have a falling out with the Liberals it'd be perfectly possible for them to strike up a coalition with the Tories and hey ho, another new Government. They (the Bloc) are the real winners here.
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opens up the possibility of Canada splitting from Quebec.
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Long live the Alberta Separatist Movement.
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Or are you saying that banks failing at the rate they did in the 20's is a good thing for the economy?
If you want to stimulate an economy, you don't do it by borrowing money and putting it in a bank vault; that's a good way to turn a recession into a depression.
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Sorry, but it is exactly the issue. We have a Westminster style parliamentary democracy. Like it or not.
In a minority government, it is incumbent on the governing party (or parties) to maintain the confidence of the House. If it is unable to do so, and if an alternative grouping exists which can command said confidence, then the GG may call upon that group to form the government.
In a minority government, it is incumbent on the governing party (or parties) to maintain the confidence of the House. If it is unable to do so, and if an alternative grouping exists which can command said confidence, then the GG may call upon that group to form the government.
In Westminster, the Government are not infrequently defeated on votes, yet that does not cause a crises as it seems to over here. I do not know of a vote in which the Harper Government has suffered a defeat - so where is the loss of confidence?
Surely it is for the electorate to voice their concerns, not some politicians whose manifestos have been "rejected" by the electorate in the recent election.
I am not eligible to vote in Canada, I have never voted in my life in England, so I have no particular axe to grind here. I just think that, if the "coalition" really feel that their positions are justified, they should put their money where their mouths are and put it to the electorate in a new election.
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I fail to understand the reference to "Westminster style parliamentary democracy" - no criticism of you particularly, I am hearing this everywhere.
In Westminster, the Government are not infrequently defeated on votes, yet that does not cause a crises as it seems to over here. I do not know of a vote in which the Harper Government has suffered a defeat - so where is the loss of confidence?
In Westminster, the Government are not infrequently defeated on votes, yet that does not cause a crises as it seems to over here. I do not know of a vote in which the Harper Government has suffered a defeat - so where is the loss of confidence?
You're right, the non confidence vote in Ottawa hasn't taken place yet. It was scheduled for yesterday, but Harper postponed it for a week (so far). I fully expect the unprincipled rogue to prorogue parliament before then in order to postpone it further (until January). He will probably recall the House for a vote on a new Throne speech a day or two before presenting a budget on Jan. 26th. Meanwhile many many people will have lost their jobs, but why should he care about that?
Surely it is for the electorate to voice their concerns, not some politicians whose manifestos have been "rejected" by the electorate in the recent election.
I am not eligible to vote in Canada, I have never voted in my life in England, so I have no particular axe to grind here. I just think that, if the "coalition" really feel that their positions are justified, they should put their money where their mouths are and put it to the electorate in a new election.
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Better than letting banks become zombies the way that Japan did in the 90s; that's one of the main reasons why they've pretty much been in a recession for twenty years now.
If you want to stimulate an economy, you don't do it by borrowing money and putting it in a bank vault; that's a good way to turn a recession into a depression.
If you want to stimulate an economy, you don't do it by borrowing money and putting it in a bank vault; that's a good way to turn a recession into a depression.
The whole banking system is built on the principle of confidence. IIRC when I studied economics, banks typically lend out ten times the amount in deposits that they have in loans. If people lose confidence in the banks and claim their deposits, banks go into bankruptcy very quickly. The whole idea of the bail out package is to prevent this loss of confidence. That's why much of the money has been spent in guaranteeing loans. While the credit tightening that we're experiencing at the moment is clearly very unfortunate for a lot of people, it's very small potatoes in comparison to a break down of the financial system, which would mean that millions of people would lose their money. Given a choice of the two, I know which I would rather support.
Actions such as the UK government guaranteeing bank deposits up to a value of $100k are undertaken precisely to avoid such a situation.
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My concern is that now is the worst possible time to swap governments in this way, especially as the world will perceive it as a drastic move to the Left, and it opens up the possibility of Canada splitting from Quebec.
Watch both the Dollar and the stock markets tank.
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Watch both the Dollar and the stock markets tank.
This is really putting party politics before the good of the Country.
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