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Cyan Oct 4th 2010 8:03 am

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I enjoy listening to what Galloway has to say. At least he's not a war criminal who led his country into an illegal genocidal invasion of another sovereign nation on pretence of excuses that have been proved to be total lies.

Oink Oct 4th 2010 8:29 am

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Originally Posted by Cyan (Post 8895494)
I enjoy listening to what Galloway has to say. At least he's not a war criminal who led his country into an illegal genocidal invasion of another sovereign nation on pretence of excuses that have been proved to be total lies.

But he is Scotch.

iaink Oct 4th 2010 8:38 am

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Scotch is a drink, not a nationality:frown:

DaveLovesDee Oct 4th 2010 9:21 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8894996)
Still, a nice smear campaign was all that was required to defuse the harm he could do (if you remember, his anti war stance was the majority opinion in the UK). No need to fabricate court level evidence, just enough to castrate him as a political force (which was the actual end result).

You think this wouldn't happen? The authorities would never stoop to this? Well, Saddam might not have been a saint, but you forget that the government completely invented the evidence about WMD's and Saddams ability to deploy them in 45 minutes (well, if you are going to lie, lie big).
And also, please stop conflating my defence of Galloway from lies with support for either him, his opinions, or Saddam (which you seemed to imply for some reason). He's a publicity seeking attention whore and Saddam was a brutal, albeit WMD'less, dictator.

I remember when it's was said that Iraqi WMD missiles were a threat to the UK.

No Iraqi missile had a range long enough to reach closer than the SE tip of Cyprus. I believe it was all an excuse to secure oil supplies and to stop Israel from starting a war in the Middle East, which is what I believe would have happened if they'd bombed any Arab country.

I don't support Galloway, but I agree with some of his opinions, and I defend his right to free speech.

Lord Vader Oct 4th 2010 12:11 pm

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 8894727)
No one should be banned for speakign their mind, freedom of speech is at its most important when people are saying things you don't like or don't want to hear, and the pretense that hes raising money for terrorist organizations is desirable.

No one is preventing him from speaking his mind. He can do that all he wants, but he has no given right to enter someone else's country. A precedent was sent for anyone coming in to Canada to start crap.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/st...o-protest.html


Originally Posted by Cyan (Post 8895494)
I enjoy listening to what Galloway has to say. At least he's not a war criminal who led his country into an illegal genocidal invasion of another sovereign nation on pretense of excuses that have been proved to be total lies.

Genocidal?

dbd33 Oct 4th 2010 12:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Lord Vader (Post 8895977)
A precedent was sent for anyone coming in to Canada to start crap.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/st...o-protest.html

Hardly comparable, the God Hates Fags people intended to enter Canada specifically to commit a crime.

Lord Vader Oct 4th 2010 12:18 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 8895981)
Hardly comparable, the God Hates Fags people intended to enter Canada specifically to commit a crime.

What was their crime? If you say hate speech, then Galloway spreads hate too.

Almost Canadian Oct 4th 2010 12:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Lord Vader (Post 8895993)
What was their crime? If you say hate speech, then Galloway spreads hate too.

So do some Jews, Christians, Muslims and Palestinians, are they all to be banned as well?

Didn't the Supreme Court state that Canada has to repatriate Mr. Kadr. I have heard of Mr. Galloway advocating the murder of his fellow citizens?

dbd33 Oct 4th 2010 12:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Lord Vader (Post 8895993)
What was their crime? If you say hate speech, then Galloway spreads hate too.

I do say hate speech and differentiate in that Phelps and crew target specific members of the public whereas, while Galloway's position may clash with that of the government of the day, it is a political one not vastly different from that of the government in Canada at the time of all that nonsense about WMDs. Galloway is not attacking any individual and especially not doing so in a way that clashes with that person's Charter rights. Harper and Kenney don't like him attacking their opinions, they're delicate, I feel for them, but he's not a physical threat to them and they don't need a ban.

jimf Oct 4th 2010 1:31 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 8896011)
I do say hate speech and differentiate in that Phelps and crew target specific members of the public whereas, while Galloway's position may clash with that of the government of the day, it is a political one not vastly different from that of the government in Canada at the time of all that nonsense about WMDs. Galloway is not attacking any individual and especially not doing so in a way that clashes with that person's Charter rights. Harper and Kenney don't like him attacking their opinions, they're delicate, I feel for them, but he's not a physical threat to them and they don't need a ban.

I agree that Galloway shouldn't be banned, its a nonsense that he was. However, would you say the same about Geert Wilders being banned from entering the UK a few years ago? I see his court case started today.

DaveLovesDee Oct 4th 2010 1:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8896007)
Didn't the Supreme Court state that Canada has to repatriate Mr. Kadr.

I see the Government repeatedly ignoring Supreme Court rulings they don't like. I'm sure I've read somewhere that Harper told the Court to keep out of politics.

Novocastrian Oct 4th 2010 1:50 pm

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Originally Posted by jimf (Post 8896097)
I agree that Galloway shouldn't be banned, its a nonsense that he was. However, would you say the same about Geert Wilders being banned from entering the UK a few years ago? I see his court case started today.

Ok with the first sentence. The next two are irrelevant, but since you asked, I wasn't aware that Geert Wilders had been prevented from entering the UK, but if he was, whoever decided that is a twat.

dbd33 Oct 4th 2010 2:09 pm

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Originally Posted by jimf (Post 8896097)
I agree that Galloway shouldn't be banned, its a nonsense that he was. However, would you say the same about Geert Wilders being banned from entering the UK a few years ago? I see his court case started today.

I don't think he should have been banned either. I'm pretty much comfortable with the First Ammendment, unless it's a direct threat to an individual (or his next of kin in the case of Phelps) then come on and spout any old bollocks.

Lord Vader Oct 4th 2010 2:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8896007)
So do some Jews, Christians, Muslims and Palestinians, are they all to be banned as well?

Didn't the Supreme Court state that Canada has to repatriate Mr. Kadr. I have heard of Mr. Galloway advocating the murder of his fellow citizens?

The issue is that Galloway is not a citizen of Canada. His rights in this country do not exist. If Galloway was a Canadian citizen then blab all he wants. There is no law that states the country of Canada must allow anyone in who wants to come.


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 8896011)
I do say hate speech and differentiate in that Phelps and crew target specific members of the public whereas, while Galloway's position may clash with that of the government of the day, it is a political one not vastly different from that of the government in Canada at the time of all that nonsense about WMDs. Galloway is not attacking any individual and especially not doing so in a way that clashes with that person's Charter rights. Harper and Kenney don't like him attacking their opinions, they're delicate, I feel for them, but he's not a physical threat to them and they don't need a ban.

The Westboro wing nuts were banned because they were entering canada for the purpose of causing trouble. I don't think Galloway is big on the Jews, but clearly his only intention in coming to Canada is to shoot his mouth off and stir the pot.


Originally Posted by jimf (Post 8896097)
I agree that Galloway shouldn't be banned, its a nonsense that he was. However, would you say the same about Geert Wilders being banned from entering the UK a few years ago? I see his court case started today.

I'll say again. Galloway has no rights to anything in this country. If a Canadian citizen wishes to express the views of Galloway then that is their right to do so. However, as pointed out regarding the Dutch politician, the left seem to believe that certain rules only apply to them. In fact, I think part of the reason Galloway was banned was because of this interview.


Alan2005 Oct 4th 2010 2:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Lord Vader (Post 8896174)
I'll say again. Galloway has no rights to anything in this country.

Well, you are wrong. He apparently does have those rights.


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