Freedom of movement between countries
#16
Re: Freedom of movement between countries
If this system ever did see the light of day, which I doubt, then I think it would be more like the former in design rather than the latter.
#17
Re: Freedom of movement between countries
I really, really doubt that. The UK has more work opportunities and lower costs of living than most, if not all, of Australia. Also it's a fact that there are a lot of immigrants living in those two countries who are there simply because they couldn't get into the UK or the US. I'm sure that many of them would jump at the chance to relocate to the UK if it were available.
#18
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Re: Freedom of movement between countries
The Aus/NZ system is arguably easier than the EU system. You "apply" for a SCV, if you are a New Zealand Citizen, just by showing up at Customs and Immigration with a NZ passport and an incoming passenger card:
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/...#tab-content-1
I am not aware of any requirement that SCV holders have to register with authorities after 90 days or anything similar.
Can you please provide a statistic for your assertion that a lot of people migrate to Australia because they can't get into the US or UK?
The World Bank says Australia's per-capita GDP (all figures USD) is $49,927.82 per annum; the UK's is $39,899.39. From that, most people would come to the same conclusion about which way the standard migration flow is going to head?
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/...#tab-content-1
I am not aware of any requirement that SCV holders have to register with authorities after 90 days or anything similar.
Can you please provide a statistic for your assertion that a lot of people migrate to Australia because they can't get into the US or UK?
The World Bank says Australia's per-capita GDP (all figures USD) is $49,927.82 per annum; the UK's is $39,899.39. From that, most people would come to the same conclusion about which way the standard migration flow is going to head?
Last edited by carcajou; Jan 22nd 2018 at 8:34 am.
#19
Re: Freedom of movement between countries
The Aus/NZ system is arguably easier than the EU system. You "apply" for a SCV, if you are a New Zealand Citizen, just by showing up at Customs and Immigration with a NZ passport and an incoming passenger card:
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/...#tab-content-1
I am not aware of any requirement that SCV holders have to register with authorities after 90 days or anything similar.
Can you please provide a statistic for your assertion that a lot of people migrate to Australia because they can't get into the US or UK?
The World Bank says Australia's per-capita GDP (all figures USD) is $49,927.82 per annum; the UK's is $39,899.39. From that, most people would come to the same conclusion about which way the standard migration flow is going to head?
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/...#tab-content-1
I am not aware of any requirement that SCV holders have to register with authorities after 90 days or anything similar.
Can you please provide a statistic for your assertion that a lot of people migrate to Australia because they can't get into the US or UK?
The World Bank says Australia's per-capita GDP (all figures USD) is $49,927.82 per annum; the UK's is $39,899.39. From that, most people would come to the same conclusion about which way the standard migration flow is going to head?
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I have personally met many people in Canada, especially Indians and Bangladeshis, who ended up there because the UK either wouldn't take them, wouldn't give them ILR or found them living there illegally and deported them. Australia itself also complains about the UK's immigration regulations these days and that's why it has placed them at the top of any trade negotiation agenda.
UK visas for Australians: Changes in 2016 will force thousands to leave the UK
It's probably worth mentioning that although the US-AU FTA did give birth to E-3 and E-3 is probably the best employment based US visa in existence, Australia is yet to really offer anything to US citizens in return.
The Australian SCV for Kiwis is by no means easier than EU FoM. SC444 requires applicants to be in good health whereas EU member states are not permitted to restrict entry to nationals of other EU countries based on their health status AFAIK. Likewise it has no clear route to permanent residence or citizenship in Australia and is in fact actually considered a 'lesser visa' than any Australian immigrant subclass. That is the reverse of how people on settlement visas are currently treated in the UK versus EU nationals, for example EU nationals have limited voting rights in the UK whereas people on ILR have none.
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/visa-1/444-
Last edited by DigitalGhost; Jan 22nd 2018 at 9:37 am.
#20
Re: Freedom of movement between countries
I don’t understand why the US and Canada don’t already have this.
#23
Re: Freedom of movement between countries
This idea has been around for a long time and will never happen.
What is the benefit to Canada?
Migration would be predominantly one-way, from the UK and New Zealand to Canada and Australia.
Therefore - Canada and Australia will not agree to this.
The Australia/New Zealand system works, despite the traditional economic disparity between the two countries, because New Zealand's population is so small that Australia can absorb the numbers - 15% of all New Zealand Citizens live in Australia, compared to 0.05% of Australian Citizens who live in New Zealand.
What is the benefit to Canada?
Migration would be predominantly one-way, from the UK and New Zealand to Canada and Australia.
Therefore - Canada and Australia will not agree to this.
The Australia/New Zealand system works, despite the traditional economic disparity between the two countries, because New Zealand's population is so small that Australia can absorb the numbers - 15% of all New Zealand Citizens live in Australia, compared to 0.05% of Australian Citizens who live in New Zealand.