Oink

That's really rubbish. You can't be fat and raise taxes.

Oakvillian

I'll thank you not to tell me what point I may or may not continue to make on an internet forum. I don't see an inconsistency in what I said. Ford's wife was beaten, she went to the cops, her abuser threatened her further, she changed her story, her story is reported as suffering from inconsistencies, the case is dropped by prosecutors. This would hardly be the first time an abused wife changes her story because of threats of additional violence. The fact that she changed her story makes the original claim all the more likely to have been true, at the same time as it makes it less likely to be prosecuted successfully. Which is what I said. QED.

Justice, as we all know, is rarely solely about truth.

FirstRatofftheShipUK

How would you expect the Crown to prove its case BRD if defence lawyers can shoot holes in a witness's prior inconsistent statements? If victims want 'justice' they should stick to their story.

You may continue the debate; I was simply stating my lack of interest in continuing any speculation.

FirstRatofftheShipUK

Sorry but as someone who is paid to do this stuff, your assumption is flawed...liars change their story when put under pressure.

Oakvillian

And victims of abuse change their story when put under pressure, too. Which camp does Mrs Ford fall into? Sadly, we won't find out through the courts, because it's too simple to intimidate somebody into changing a story and thereby raising just such a doubt. Which was rather the point I was making.

You may be "paid to do this stuff" but you don't seem to have much of a grasp of human nature. I have (thankfully not direct) experience of at least two occasions where such a case has not come to court simply because the victim was either too terrified to give evidence or was intimidated into changing their story.

Oakvillian

Could you possibly be a little more condescending to terrified victims? I don't think your dismissal of their position is quite strong enough here.

magnumpi

Chow says she wants to put LRT on our roads in Scarborough, trains on the road instead of subway!!!!

Oakvillian

Good. The subway thing was a big Ford red herring. A surface LRT will serve more people, more quickly, at less cost. The subway debate should never have been reopened by Ford after every other authority (including the city council themselves) had agreed that surface LRT was the right answer. Buffoon.

FirstRatofftheShipUK

I will try...perhaps there are two sides to every story. Better?

It is not a "dismissal" at all. It is very frustrating not to be able to do justice to the deserving; it is equally frustrating when someone is found liable for something they did not in fact do.

FirstRatofftheShipUK

I assure you have seen elements of human nature that inform my position.

Would you be willing to confirm whether you are a woman? Would you argue that the legal system does 'justice' to fathers in child custody cases?
I have seen woman of all shades of the socio-economic spectrum (when under pressure) spouting the most awful falsehoods against the children's father. For example, boldly lying to a judge that they witnessed the father sexually abusing their daughter, simply becuase she was 'miffed' that the guy had the nerve to have a fling with a co-worker. Ot that the guy physically abused the mother or the children. Or drug and alcohol abuse. Or involvement in crime. Or all such manner of things. One upstanding lady citizen accused her partner of shagging the neighbour's dog!

Who is the actual 'victim' here?

Shit yes, people change their stories, but I assure you they do so with all sorts of motive. I find you a little naive.

Oakvillian

That made me giggle. Observe the blue circle with pointy arrow arrangement next to my username over there <-- and you'll doubtless conclude that on the balance of probabilities I am, in fact, a man.