Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
Jan 7th 2019, 11:00 pm
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
My concern is that Trudeau isn't left-wing enough, the Liberals made many political promises design to attract left-leaning people but then they dissolve into platitudes when they're in government. A good example is Pharmacare, the Liberals are holding an advisory panel on whether to do a national Pharmacare program. No doubt this will go just like the Electoral Reform advisory panel - nothing will come of it but it looks like they're doing something...
However, Trudeau is seen as the "anti-conservative" by many online right wing groups. He's sort of seen by these people like how Hillary Clinton is seen in the US deep south. These people will shape and distort media to portray their version of reality. Do your homework on this.
This is a gross simplification. Grasping with gender-identity is an issue currently going around in Canada at the moment, and needs to be taken seriously. These issues are not black-and-white and every case has to be handled differently. This has likely come up because the child will now be protected under the charter for their gender-identity based on a recent law change, and if the parents are violating their child's rights, there could be issues, however I don't think this is very likely something to happen.
Yes because there are not "tiers" of citizenship. Once you are a Canadian citizen, you remain a citizen. More scary would be if the government could take away your citizenship for an arbitrary reason. Canada has rights and rule of law, no exceptions. This is how it should be, and is an example to the world on how to have an objective humanitarian rule of law, not political "feel-good" laws. From what I understand returning ISIS fighters are still prosecuted for their crimes and detained, they are not allowed to simply return and roam free.
Yes because the US government detained him, a Canadian Citizen, and the previous Canadian government allowed his human rights to be violated at Guantanamo. The Canadian government should have extradited him and jailed him in Canada or demanded he be kept in a regular US prison. Instead they allowed him to be barbarically tortured in the USA. Terrorist or not, he is still a human being. We don't get to pick and choose who gets rights and who doesn't.
As stated above, ISIS fighters are prosecuted under the criminal code, you may want to research this further.
Depends on the intention, if you deliberately call someone by the wrong pronoun as part of a hateful campaign, then why shouldn't you be prosecuted, the same way someone who attacks gay people or a particular race? Imagine being a transgender person, trying to live a normal life, and someone verbally attacks you, you think that's acceptable?
I find the UK's obsession with internet data monitoring and CCTV cameras everywhere much, much worse.
Has never once effected my daily life in Canada.
However, Trudeau is seen as the "anti-conservative" by many online right wing groups. He's sort of seen by these people like how Hillary Clinton is seen in the US deep south. These people will shape and distort media to portray their version of reality. Do your homework on this.
This is a gross simplification. Grasping with gender-identity is an issue currently going around in Canada at the moment, and needs to be taken seriously. These issues are not black-and-white and every case has to be handled differently. This has likely come up because the child will now be protected under the charter for their gender-identity based on a recent law change, and if the parents are violating their child's rights, there could be issues, however I don't think this is very likely something to happen.
Yes because there are not "tiers" of citizenship. Once you are a Canadian citizen, you remain a citizen. More scary would be if the government could take away your citizenship for an arbitrary reason. Canada has rights and rule of law, no exceptions. This is how it should be, and is an example to the world on how to have an objective humanitarian rule of law, not political "feel-good" laws. From what I understand returning ISIS fighters are still prosecuted for their crimes and detained, they are not allowed to simply return and roam free.
Yes because the US government detained him, a Canadian Citizen, and the previous Canadian government allowed his human rights to be violated at Guantanamo. The Canadian government should have extradited him and jailed him in Canada or demanded he be kept in a regular US prison. Instead they allowed him to be barbarically tortured in the USA. Terrorist or not, he is still a human being. We don't get to pick and choose who gets rights and who doesn't.
As stated above, ISIS fighters are prosecuted under the criminal code, you may want to research this further.
Depends on the intention, if you deliberately call someone by the wrong pronoun as part of a hateful campaign, then why shouldn't you be prosecuted, the same way someone who attacks gay people or a particular race? Imagine being a transgender person, trying to live a normal life, and someone verbally attacks you, you think that's acceptable?
I find the UK's obsession with internet data monitoring and CCTV cameras everywhere much, much worse.
Has never once effected my daily life in Canada.
I also aked for evidence on their claims and then it wasn’t provided and apparently “made up my mind” asking for facts, opinion and reasoning. A troll is someone who wishes to cause trouble. I would say it’s more appropriate to be called a troll (like that other Scilly person claimed) stating Trump called for journalists to be killed, a fundamental delusion, and then ignores my request for evidence, evidence that doesn’t exist. That’s trolling. As I maintained I asked for opinion, you’ve given me in and I accept it.
i disagree with one point though “not left wing enough”, I think surrounding himself in only minorities and correcting people with their language of words that don’t exist “peoplekind” to be PC overkill, that’s off the grid left wing. That’s akin to a right wing politician (as they did in Italy) calling migrants degenerates, that’s pretty far right.
edit : sorry on your last point, prosecutions for wrong gender pronouns. Yes I do disagree, race is different, if I met a African American and he asked me state his race I’d tell him he’s African American. That’s unequivocal right? To me a biological male with male organs in a dress isn’t unequivocal. They could identify by male and a cross dresser or be identifiable as female and not a cross dressser, I have scope to be in error, the former I do not. In my opinion a man identifying as female with male organs to me is male. I will call them what they wish but I shouldn’t have to accept a contraction to science as reality. That’s my freedom of expression and speech. If that’s unlawful that I can’t have that opinion which is supported by science then they’ve infringed my freedom of expression and opinion. That means I could too invent a scenario where I make such demands of them which conflict with their views and I too should expect them to comply. If that isn’t a two way street then I’ve been discriminated again and shown to have less rights that my fellow citizen. I don’t see that as equal.
That doesn’t mean I’m going to refuse to comply or broadcast my opinion, for me, if they ask I’d give it otherwise I’d say nothing.
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Jan 7th 2019, 11:04 pm
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
I think you need to learn what trolling is.
if I came to this post and said, Trudea is a beta male, Islamic feminist apologist that would be trolling.
i said what the British media were saying, I asked how you found it, asked for evidence in to the contrary showing that I’m willing to change my mind, no evidence / opinion was given that stated how and why it was “fake news” and then I’m a troll? Only two posters have given a proper reply. I would say it’s you who’s trolling if your calling someone who’s trying to learn and get more information then calling me a troll, is indeed....a troll.
if I came to this post and said, Trudea is a beta male, Islamic feminist apologist that would be trolling.
i said what the British media were saying, I asked how you found it, asked for evidence in to the contrary showing that I’m willing to change my mind, no evidence / opinion was given that stated how and why it was “fake news” and then I’m a troll? Only two posters have given a proper reply. I would say it’s you who’s trolling if your calling someone who’s trying to learn and get more information then calling me a troll, is indeed....a troll.
Jan 7th 2019, 11:08 pm
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
Read it again, I asked how do people find his views. I made it clear it was British media so it’s obvious they won’t be reporting it as accurately as people who live in Canada. I asked for both opinion and evidence. Someone who wants opinion and evidence hasn’t made up their mind and you can also see I have accepted the latest post as above.
Lengthy replies? I’ve merely addressed what Scilly said when she directed many, many points to me. Should I ignore her instead? I replied quickly because I get an email when someone replies to me and it’s my day off. Are you seriously suggesting a fast reply constitutes suspicious activity? In that case I demand that you reply by tomorrow or I’m suspicious of your motives sir. Incase you didn’t notice I didn’t raise Trump...
Jan 7th 2019, 11:15 pm
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
I have no idea what the OP is going on about - I do not spare a moment fretting about PC laws that may or may not be real and are passed by provinces in a federal system. I do not worry about 'pinko / commie / fags' in the Liberals or NDP - politics does not define my life any more than BREXIT should define the life of a UK citizen (although if the papers are to be believed it does!).
What I love about Canada (as someone who has returned after a 50 year absence) was perfectly outlined today. At the local 'Real Canadian Superstore' (big, low cost supermarket) there was a pile up of three karts (trolleys to Brits), two of which were owned by, shall we say, 'obvious' first generation Canadians of middle eastern origin. I could not get my kart through and I am limping quite a bit from sciatica as a result of a recent slipped disc. Now in the UK, I would be ready for a barrage of abuse as I tried to nudge one kart aside followed by snarls and dirty looks. But instead, a harassed lady with a lot of children demanding her attention apologised profusely and quick moved their kart - a smile from me and a grin from her and apologies all around. That sir, is what I call community and it is what I call Canada and I am proud to be here!
Oh, and GO LEAFS GO!
What I love about Canada (as someone who has returned after a 50 year absence) was perfectly outlined today. At the local 'Real Canadian Superstore' (big, low cost supermarket) there was a pile up of three karts (trolleys to Brits), two of which were owned by, shall we say, 'obvious' first generation Canadians of middle eastern origin. I could not get my kart through and I am limping quite a bit from sciatica as a result of a recent slipped disc. Now in the UK, I would be ready for a barrage of abuse as I tried to nudge one kart aside followed by snarls and dirty looks. But instead, a harassed lady with a lot of children demanding her attention apologised profusely and quick moved their kart - a smile from me and a grin from her and apologies all around. That sir, is what I call community and it is what I call Canada and I am proud to be here!
Oh, and GO LEAFS GO!
I a,so agree with your last point. British social behaviour is poor, many aren’t polite and many in the situation you’ve described would give you a disgusting look for what you did. I was in Toronto in June and in an elevator a Canadian got off on his floor and said “thank you sir, have a wonderful day” to me? All I did was wait for him to get off on his floor. I said to my brother I could live to 80 and no one would say that in England. Perhaps people thought I was being rude by questioning perceived negative laws? If so that’s overly sensitive, I was merely asking questions, not taking a swipe at Canada...
Jan 7th 2019, 11:44 pm
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
Two points then I have absolutely no intention of engaging in any further discourse with you, as you so obviously have little common decency
First .............
I object to the description you use. It is not one that a courteous man would use ..... I assume you are of the male persuasion because no woman would use such terms.
Second .............
One has only to Google "US journalists hurt or killed by Trump supporters" to get thousands of results .... and in this case, "hurt" includes emotional hurt caused by fear of what could/will happen
About 26,400,000 results (0.43 seconds)
Just a few of the most recent media items .......Trump encourages violence against reporters, and his supporters cheer
The only thing worse than Trump's attack on a journalist is its timing ...
Trump supporters filmed hurling sustained abuse at journalists ..
Under Trump, American Journalists Have Good Reason to Fear for ..
Trump May Get Journalists Killed - Mon., Aug. 6, 2018 - O'Dwyer's
First .............
(like that other Scilly person claimed)
Second .............
One has only to Google "US journalists hurt or killed by Trump supporters" to get thousands of results .... and in this case, "hurt" includes emotional hurt caused by fear of what could/will happen
About 26,400,000 results (0.43 seconds)
Just a few of the most recent media items .......
Trump encourages violence against reporters, and his supporters cheer
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../trump-encourages-violence-against-reporters-and-hi...
The only thing worse than Trump's attack on a journalist is its timing ...
https://www.theguardian.com/.../2018/.../trump-mocking-attack-journalist-press-freedom
Trump supporters filmed hurling sustained abuse at journalists ..
https://www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Americas
Under Trump, American Journalists Have Good Reason to Fear for ..
https://www.pastemagazine.com/.../nder-trump-american-journalists-have-good-reaso..
................If one of his supporters kills a journalist, Trump absolutely shares the blame.
Trump May Get Journalists Killed - Mon., Aug. 6, 2018 - O'Dwyer's
https://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/...08.../trump-may-get-journalists-killed.html
Jan 8th 2019, 12:05 am
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
Thats a poor reply.
Read it again, I asked how do people find his views. I made it clear it was British media so it’s obvious they won’t be reporting it as accurately as people who live in Canada. I asked for both opinion and evidence. Someone who wants opinion and evidence hasn’t made up their mind and you can also see I have accepted the latest post as above.
Lengthy replies? I’ve merely addressed what Scilly said when she directed many, many points to me. Should I ignore her instead? I replied quickly because I get an email when someone replies to me and it’s my day off. Are you seriously suggesting a fast reply constitutes suspicious activity? In that case I demand that you reply by tomorrow or I’m suspicious of your motives sir. Incase you didn’t notice I didn’t raise Trump...
Jan 8th 2019, 12:46 am
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
Proof please.
I see the guardian several times a day, every day, BBC regularly, sometimes the telegraph and even the daily mail (for my sins) and countless people on BE and other sites post links to British media, some controversial some not.
So perhaps you could provide some proof that the British media does, indeed, publish the nonsense in the style of your original post.
Proper media doesn't include UKIP News or EDL Times or whatever titles they may have.
I see the guardian several times a day, every day, BBC regularly, sometimes the telegraph and even the daily mail (for my sins) and countless people on BE and other sites post links to British media, some controversial some not.
So perhaps you could provide some proof that the British media does, indeed, publish the nonsense in the style of your original post.
Proper media doesn't include UKIP News or EDL Times or whatever titles they may have.
Jan 8th 2019, 1:07 am
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
Proof please.
I see the guardian several times a day, every day, BBC regularly, sometimes the telegraph and even the daily mail (for my sins) and countless people on BE and other sites post links to British media, some controversial some not.
So perhaps you could provide some proof that the British media does, indeed, publish the nonsense in the style of your original post.
Proper media doesn't include UKIP News or EDL Times or whatever titles they may have.
I see the guardian several times a day, every day, BBC regularly, sometimes the telegraph and even the daily mail (for my sins) and countless people on BE and other sites post links to British media, some controversial some not.
So perhaps you could provide some proof that the British media does, indeed, publish the nonsense in the style of your original post.
Proper media doesn't include UKIP News or EDL Times or whatever titles they may have.
Jan 8th 2019, 2:03 am
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
Two points then I have absolutely no intention of engaging in any further discourse with you, as you so obviously have little common decency
First .............
I object to the description you use. It is not one that a courteous man would use ..... I assume you are of the male persuasion because no woman would use such terms.
Second .............
One has only to Google "US journalists hurt or killed by Trump supporters" to get thousands of results .... and in this case, "hurt" includes emotional hurt caused by fear of what could/will happen
About 26,400,000 results (0.43 seconds)
Just a few of the most recent media items .......
https://www.pastemagazine.com/.../nder-trump-american-journalists-have-good-reaso..
................If one of his supporters kills a journalist, Trump absolutely shares the blame.
Trump May Get Journalists Killed - Mon., Aug. 6, 2018 - O'Dwyer's
https://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/...08.../trump-may-get-journalists-killed.html
First .............
I object to the description you use. It is not one that a courteous man would use ..... I assume you are of the male persuasion because no woman would use such terms.
Second .............
One has only to Google "US journalists hurt or killed by Trump supporters" to get thousands of results .... and in this case, "hurt" includes emotional hurt caused by fear of what could/will happen
About 26,400,000 results (0.43 seconds)
Just a few of the most recent media items .......
Trump encourages violence against reporters, and his supporters cheer
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../trump-encourages-violence-against-reporters-and-hi...
The only thing worse than Trump's attack on a journalist is its timing ...
https://www.theguardian.com/.../2018/.../trump-mocking-attack-journalist-press-freedom
Trump supporters filmed hurling sustained abuse at journalists ..
https://www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Americas
Under Trump, American Journalists Have Good Reason to Fear for ..https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../trump-encourages-violence-against-reporters-and-hi...
The only thing worse than Trump's attack on a journalist is its timing ...
https://www.theguardian.com/.../2018/.../trump-mocking-attack-journalist-press-freedom
Trump supporters filmed hurling sustained abuse at journalists ..
https://www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Americas
https://www.pastemagazine.com/.../nder-trump-american-journalists-have-good-reaso..
................If one of his supporters kills a journalist, Trump absolutely shares the blame.
Trump May Get Journalists Killed - Mon., Aug. 6, 2018 - O'Dwyer's
https://www.odwyerpr.com/story/public/...08.../trump-may-get-journalists-killed.html
you said quote “he’s even called for journalists to be killed”
you links are all from left wing news outlets first of all the bias is off the grid. Secondly you said he called for journalists to be killed, yet your links don’t support this. No where do any of those link state he’s called for incitement to violence by killing journalists. You’ve sensationalised controversial views with defining terms of ‘he’s asking for them to be killed’.
You’ve told me quote, called for journalists to be killed, then you’ve said if you google “US journalists killed or hurt by trump supporters to justify your claim of trump calling for journalists to be killed. That’s totally different, and not in alignment with your original point. I also have no care for Trump, you raised him, I came here to discus Canadian affairs, my detailed reponse to you went unanswered and you’ve failed to justify your original point here by linking information unrelated to your claim and then decided to insult me.
this......I’m sorry, is anti intellectualism. You’ve not backed up any point I spent time replying to you on which suggest you have no argument to make, and you’ve linked evidence that doesn’t support your claim. You’ve changed it to fit the narrative then called me rude. That’s not reasonable.
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Jan 8th 2019, 2:20 am
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
The BBC have reported on this, he should know that if he’s such a fan of them.
The conversation is tedious, he’s suggested I read bias right material and listed biased left material as his evidence. Worst of all The Guardian is a radical left paper, it’s so unpopular in the UK it depends on donations to stay afloat. Every article has a link to their donations page. It’s been about ten years since I saw anyone reading it in England.
I find it amusing I’m suggested as reading the EDL weekly, when it’s seemingly fine for him to support left wing media sources , the hypocrysy is barely tolerable. He’s beyond redemption on that statement as he’s so engarauned in his views he’s sees anything opposing to his views as far right. Anything right of far left isn’t far right. There’s a bunch of stuff along the way before you reach far right. I have next to no knowledge on the EDL or any other far right party.
if he’d like proof of my original claims I can link multiple stories from those tabloids who’ve reported on this. I’m uncertain he reads them well as they do exist. Even the biased BBC has reported this.
The conversation is tedious, he’s suggested I read bias right material and listed biased left material as his evidence. Worst of all The Guardian is a radical left paper, it’s so unpopular in the UK it depends on donations to stay afloat. Every article has a link to their donations page. It’s been about ten years since I saw anyone reading it in England.
I find it amusing I’m suggested as reading the EDL weekly, when it’s seemingly fine for him to support left wing media sources , the hypocrysy is barely tolerable. He’s beyond redemption on that statement as he’s so engarauned in his views he’s sees anything opposing to his views as far right. Anything right of far left isn’t far right. There’s a bunch of stuff along the way before you reach far right. I have next to no knowledge on the EDL or any other far right party.
if he’d like proof of my original claims I can link multiple stories from those tabloids who’ve reported on this. I’m uncertain he reads them well as they do exist. Even the biased BBC has reported this.
Jan 8th 2019, 2:22 am
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Re: Expats - How do you find Trudeau and heavy left wing laws?
The BBC have reported on this, he should know that if he’s such a fan of them.
The conversation is tedious, he’s suggested I read bias right material and listed biased left material as his evidence. Worst of all The Guardian is a radical left paper, it’s so unpopular in the UK it depends on donations to stay afloat. Every article has a link to their donations page. It’s been about ten years since I saw anyone reading it in England.
I find it amusing I’m suggested as reading the EDL weekly, when it’s seemingly fine for him to support left wing media sources , the hypocrysy is barely tolerable. He’s beyond redemption on that statement as he’s so engarauned in his views he’s sees anything opposing to his views as far right. Anything right of far left isn’t far right. There’s a bunch of stuff along the way before you reach far right. I have next to no knowledge on the EDL or any other far right party.
if he’d like proof of my original claims I can link multiple stories from those tabloids who’ve reported on this. I’m uncertain he reads them well as they do exist. Even the biased BBC has reported this.
Jan 8th 2019, 2:22 am
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This is what creates a divided world, people with no argument who can’t articulate a counter argument, who then are given evidence to the contrary run into a denial mode.
Don’t be an NPC, you’ll only be worse off for it.
Jan 8th 2019, 2:23 am
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