dbd33

I don't think I've said who I admire. Personally I have a great regard for Charlie Watts.

Fallaci caricatured herself. It's difficult to see how she could have advanced reasoned debate by introducing defecation.

DaveTheCat

You're talking about people, I was talking about countries/cultures, not about inept (and ultimately racist) notions as the Blutrecht. A pure-breed Scott, born in the heartland of Scotland is actually what he is because he grew up there, in that specific culture; had he been brought up in, say, China, he would've been Chinese, no matter what his chromosomes would've shown.

Hence, my answer is: Trevor and Rachida are British and French. Not hyphenated-British, not hyphenated-French. British and French. Mr. Al Fayed is Egyptian - and I don't see that as anything inferior (or superior!) to being British. But he-is-Egyptian. For me, that is.

And, by the way: you know, don't you, what kind of comments has Ken Livingstone been making about Trevor? the BNP-enrollment thingie? It's got the "wow" factor, innit? just like in Orianna's case...

hamshank

just google christians in pakistan

DaveTheCat

By voicing out her fears? after actually seeing people urinating in the streets?

May I remind you that, in one of my previous posts I had said "yobos", not Muslims, or Gypsies or any other specific nationalities. A "yobo", in our current context, is someone who has very different values (if any) than those of the society s/he lives in. I wouldn't urinate on a basilica or a monument or any other thing or symbol other people may cherish. That is, unless I were a yobo - someone who has knows what X means something to someone, but who couldn't care less. Sociopaths, asocials - yobos... From the Romanian Gypsies who devoured the Viennese swans of Schoenbrun years ago, to the inept youth who urinated on that cenotaph in Ottawa - they're all yobos. For me. YMMV.

dbd33

I suppose the idea that people are defined by where they grew up and can never emigrate and integrate would, if widely believed, greatly reduce the support effort for this board.

Ken Livingstone's rhetoric is similarly irrational to Orianni Fallaci's, yes. I don't think much of him either.

dbd33

Ms. Fallici's defecators were specifically Muslim. She introduced the idea of sacred sites. That's hate speech and questionably legal in Canada.

DaveTheCat

Sorry, the Monday factor must be kicking in: I don't quite follow. Here are the first results of my googling:

1. Pakistan Christian Post
2. Pakistan Facts - Christians besieged in Pakistan
3. MISERIES OF CHRISTIANS IN PAKISTAN- Islam attacks Christians in ...
4. Pakistan's Christians are extremely fearful of Muslims
etc.

Er... what's that got to do with Trevor's cultural identity? Being Christian in a hardcore Islamic country is not a walk in the park - but who's ever doubted that? And - Trevor? what's he got to do with it?

RobinHood

Pat Condell sticks it to some "politically correct jackasses," from North America, on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1ZLXbKeL2U

I wouldn't want to argue with PC.

dbd33

I too googled and puzzled.

DaveTheCat, do you intend to go to Canada? If so do you know that the population is at least as diverse as that of Europe, mosques are common and tolerance is a policy even of the current right wing government?

DaveTheCat

Oh, OK. For me, it would've been hate speech (in fact, the speech of a lunatic) if she had said "I hate Chileans and I think they will one day smear this or that with their faeces". But she described what she saw, instead. Why would she be guilty of "hate speech"? Wasn't that you saying that in a PC-driven Toronto, the local police intentionally omit the ethnicity of the criminal? I thought you derided this Inspector Fowler logic: "you can call me a pig, but NOT a green pig!" (if you remember the Thin Blue Line).

dbd33

I can't say I've heard of him before but the link says he's a comedian. He doesn't seem very culturally sensitive. Is he the new Bernard Manning?

dbd33

But she didn't. She imagined it, I'd say hallucinated it.

Yes. I think that's silly. In the case of physical description the ethnicity of a person is relevant. It's not the same as saying everyone of that ethnicity is somehow evil.

RobinHood

You make your own mind up whether he's a racist. He certainly likes to take the mickey out of religion and the US regime:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f01IBDoZGg

DaveTheCat

I've been living in Canada for some years now. Before Canada, it was Down Under. Before that, China. Before China, France. And I'm talking years here, not months, that's why I'm not mentioning stints in other countries (Italy, Germany, Russia, etc).
And, what's got diversity to do with cultural definitions? Good lord, you're implying that I'm a racist who won't fit into the Canadian society, aren't you? If I say that enclaves and ghettos (ethnic or otherwise) are harmful to any society and that integration has never negated any specific personal/ethnic identity, that makes me a fascist in your eyes?

Good Lordy Lord... (Disclaimer: Just a figure of speech. I'm not a religious person).

dbd33

He's simply wrong about America. I wonder if he's been there. He seems ill formed, rambles a lot and isn't funny but I don't think there's any racism in this link. In the link above he's unpleasant about Muslim women but it's schoolboy stuff, he doesn't like their clothes, but I don't think that's racism either. He just seems a typical ranter like you'd try to avoid in any pub.