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It was a stable and sustainable rate, I would say that made it the "market rate". It was an in influx of East Europeans who destabilized the market.

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And why is that a problem? I didn't have you down as a commie.:blink:

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You know what to expect from Hesseltine as you do with Redwood, Clarke and Cleggy. Most labour MPs seem to be out of sync with their supporters.

Brexit would help us control immigration. Like me, many Labour voters want out | Frank Field | Opinion | The Guardian

It's pretty clear that Cameron as well as Corbyn are really moderate EU skeptics but have ended up defending something they don't really believe in.

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Because it is causing exactly the sort of inter-nationality tension that is more likely to lead to civil unrest and war, civil or otherwise. :nod:Having empathy for my countrymen makes me a commie? :confused:

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There has been wage compression, and that's definitely a problem. The question is whether ditching the entire European project is the solution. Babies and bathwater come to mind.

It's not that Britain is solely responsible for developing Eastern Europe, but that we can play our part. We benefit too, we can choose to live in Southern Europe, greater European prosperity raises the general economic level of all. If somehow the EU had not yet been created, we probably, right now, would be trying to build it.

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I think they are defending the status quo; the EU will never be utopia, but it may well be better than the alternative. What's worrying is that despite much reasoned debate to the contrary, Boris and Nige have whipped up a nationalistic storm which threatens to turn Great Britain into Little England. Literally (once Scotland departs).

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No. I think we'd be trying to build the Common Market - a group of sovereign nations working together for their common benefit, which is exactly what we had before a bunch of euro-politicians with an over-inflated sense of their own place in history decided that economic cooperation wasn't enough and that they need to rush head-long into political integration.

Britain should not have signed the Maastricht treaty back in 1992, but given that John Major was the PM at the time, it's hardly surprising that he is now a Remainer. :rolleyes:

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Well, thinking protectionism and restrictions on the free movement of goods/labour is a good way to control the price of things is a bit soviet.

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No such thing as a perfect market, so in some degree all markets have some level of protection and restriction. ;)

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Looks like we've been disenfranchised.

No sign of the postal ballot forms yet, even though we did everything required 2 months ago...

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"The National" on CBC tonight focuses on Brexit and the opinions of voters in Britain

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When the unknowing turn up at the poling station next week it'll be gut feelings that'll point the pencil towards one box or another.
Forget Boris and the recent campaign misinformation, that's all short term, consider instead the drip drip drip of gut feeling that's accumulated over the years and that'll form the deep down 'truth' that'll determine the outcome.
So what is some of this stuff that'll probably send the UK back into the non-EU world.
First of all, for those old or educated enough, there's the lingering insult of De Gaul saying 'Non' to the UK so many times after having sheltered him for so long in WW2.
In addition, the EU is an expensive gravy train. UK money is wasted in so many stupid ways. The wine lakes, the butter mountains, the farming subsidies where farmers are paid for doing nothing, the ridiculous transfer from Bruxelles to Strasbourg and back again. Setaside, great for farmers but those steel workers and shipbuilders thrown on the scrapheap because EU restrictions probably allowed governments to trash their industries won't understand it.
Tales of MEPs signing in, leaving and claiming extortionate expenses rankle and enrage the honest taxpayer.
Those unelected officials that tell people how to live their lives, faceless but living in Bruxelles, how dare they.
Those poor Greeks, taken to the cleaners by the germans who made themselves rich on the back of an artificially low euro, it could have been the UK.
Those french, who we never liked, who resist any kind of reform that might affect their precious farming industry, and they refuse to speak english.
That lunatic Merkle who invited the world to come to germany and then caused all those problems by insisting that everyone else took the strain.
The immigrant issue that sees, rightly or wrongly, young children not being able to get to their preferred school because, like the local hospital, it's full. It all feeds xenophobia.
These are but a few of those issues, and there'll be a huge number of others, that trigger different reactions in different people.

Now some or all of these gut feelings are reactions to true events and others are purely fictional that have been stirred up over the years by others with different aganda, but whatever the stimulus, it has been going on for a very long time and all of this latent anger will be why the silent majority might very well take the opportunity to vote Brexit next week against the prevailing political expectations.

I suspect that the political class may have seriously ignored popular gut feelings on this subject.

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Posted our ballot papers back today. Hope they make it on time.

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What was the conclusion? Is Brexit getting much airplay in Canada?

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I taped it, will watch tonight