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Old Feb 24th 2016 | 7:34 am
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
From what FL is saying, it looks like the CBSA doesn't have a system in place for citizens who aren't passport holders. It's a bit of an oversight as this probably applies to a lot of people.
Their oversight is that the airlines cannot know for certain if you are a canadian citizen without the actual passport, they (CBSA) themselves would be able to check it in a second. Of course, you need to travel to Canada in order to do this. Without preclearance in say, London, this will continue to be an issue.

People who qualify for United States ESTAs (but not eTA due to actually being Canadian) could in theory fly to the USA on an ESTA and cross at a land border if there were no other options. (Oh i see you already mentioned that... nm)

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Old Feb 24th 2016 | 7:41 am
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
From what FL is saying, it looks like the CBSA doesn't have a system in place for citizens who aren't passport holders. It's a bit of an oversight as this probably applies to a lot of people.
Actually CIC implemented this and did not think this out fully. This will affect thousands of Canadians with dual citizenship who live and work outside of Canada who don't currently hold a valid Canadian passport.
Now some will say just get a Canadian passport and stop moaning. Its the legality of this Im concerned with not how much it costs for a Canadian passport.
The current law does not make it MANDATORY for a Canadian citizen to enter Canada and use a Canadian passport.
This is why several groups are challenging this including the Canadian Bar Association.
 
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Originally Posted by neill
Their oversight is that the airlines cannot know for certain if you are a canadian citizen without the actual passport, they (CBSA) themselves would be able to check it in a second. Of course, you need to travel to Canada in order to do this. Without preclearance in say, London, this will continue to be an issue.

People who qualify for United States ESTAs (but not eTA due to actually being Canadian) could in theory fly to the USA on an ESTA and cross at a land border if there were no other options. (Oh i see you already mentioned that... nm)
But why should the airline care about this. Providing I show the airline a valid UK passport and eTA I am showing the same documents that a UK citizen just visiting has to. On arrival with my Citizenship card CBSA has to admit me but could refuse the UK only citizen who showed the same documents as me at check in.
 
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
But why should the airline care about this. Providing I show the airline a valid UK passport and eTA I am showing the same documents that a UK citizen just visiting has to. On arrival with my Citizenship card CBSA has to admit me but could refuse the UK only citizen who showed the same documents as me at check in.
Yup, very true. But this is CIC we're talking about
 
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Originally Posted by neill
Their oversight is that the airlines cannot know for certain if you are a canadian citizen without the actual passport, they (CBSA) themselves would be able to check it in a second. Of course, you need to travel to Canada in order to do this. Without preclearance in say, London, this will continue to be an issue.
Well, yes. If CIC requires airlines to check people before they fly they should do so in a way that allows citizens in this situation to do so. You shouldn't be required to use costly or legally dubious work-a-rounds to enter a country you are a citizen of.

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
Actually CIC implemented this and did not think this out fully.
Ok, "CIC doesn't have a system..." . I apologise for besmirching the good name of the CBSA.
 
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Default Re: Dual citizens now require 2 valid passports.

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
Actually CIC implemented this and did not think this out fully. This will affect thousands of Canadians with dual citizenship who live and work outside of Canada who don't currently hold a valid Canadian passport.
Now some will say just get a Canadian passport and stop moaning. Its the legality of this Im concerned with not how much it costs for a Canadian passport.
The current law does not make it MANDATORY for a Canadian citizen to enter Canada and use a Canadian passport.
This is why several groups are challenging this including the Canadian Bar Association.

You'd think they'd be more concerned about the extortionate liquor taxes and draconian drink driving laws than worrying about immigration matters.
 
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You'd think they'd be more concerned about the extortionate liquor taxes and draconian drink driving laws than worrying about immigration matters.
Not that type of bar
 
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You'd think they'd be more concerned about the extortionate liquor taxes and draconian drink driving laws than worrying about immigration matters.


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Originally Posted by Alan2005


I have nothing else to add.
Whats the betting that liquor taxes are going to be raised in the 22 March budget? I was pissed when they introduced minimum prices because some could not handle $1 Caesar evenings. Just because you have $30 in your pocket doesn't mean you have to drink 30 Caesars
 
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Does this mean that Brits who apply for Canadian citizenship - to avoid renewing PR card and UK passport - will now need UK passport (after all) as well as their Canadian one?

Unless renouncing British citizenship.
 
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Soooooo......

Canadian travelling with UK passport but has citizenship card and Nexus card showing Can citizenship.

Still need a Can passport? Practical question as if the answer is yes then paperwork needs to be done quickly.

Seems another well thought out CIC idea. Their website just said proof of Canadian citizenship which the card proves.

Really confused about this eTa thing

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Default Re: Dual citizens now require 2 valid passports.

Originally Posted by BristolUK
Does this mean that Brits who apply for Canadian citizenship - to avoid renewing PR card and UK passport - will now need UK passport (after all) as well as their Canadian one?

Unless renouncing British citizenship.
It means that if you are a Canadian citizen (sole citizenship or dual with another country e.g. UK) will have to show a valid Canadian passport at check in on flights directly flying to Canada. If you chose to hold a UK passport that is your decision but you'd better have a Canadian one if flying directly to Canada.
 
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Originally Posted by ukcanuck
Soooooo......

Canadian travelling with UK passport but has citizenship card and Nexus card showing Can citizenship.

Still need a Can passport? Practical question as if the answer is yes then paperwork needs to be done quickly.

Seems another well thought out CIC idea. Their website just said proof of Canadian citizenship which the card proves.

Really confused about this eTa thing

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The citizenship card is not a travel document so expecting a British Airways check in attendant at Heathrow to accept this is not going to happen at the moment.
Again the same with a NEXUS card and presenting it in any other country except the USA and even that is not recommended without a valid passport.

As for eTA its simple

If you are a Canadian citizen (sole or dual) and a PR of Canada you do not need eTA and CANNOT apply for eTA. The PR card is a designated document for travel purposes along with a valid passport so no eTA required. Try flying from the UK on just a PR card it won't work as you need a valid UK passport.
 
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Default Re: Dual citizens now require 2 valid passports.

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
It means that if you are a Canadian citizen (sole citizenship or dual with another country e.g. UK) will have to show a valid Canadian passport at check in on flights directly flying to Canada. If you chose to hold a UK passport that is your decision but you'd better have a Canadian one if flying directly to Canada.
Probably thinking too far ahead, but just going on the basis that if Canada decides this is the way to go, then the UK may well too. In which case dual citizen would need both passports if traveling between both countries.
 
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
It means that if you are a Canadian citizen (sole citizenship or dual with another country e.g. UK) will have to show a valid Canadian passport at check in on flights directly flying to Canada. If you chose to hold a UK passport that is your decision but you'd better have a Canadian one if flying directly to Canada.
So will UK check in staff be asking every passenger if they have Canadian citizenship?
 


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