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Almost Canadian Sep 13th 2010 6:37 am

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by ireland2canada (Post 8845380)
I think neutering is the least worst option available, given the above mentioned situation regarding over supply of dogs. Of course the dog cannot give consent for the procedure, no more than it can give consent to what it eats, where it lives and ultimately how it is treated. The animal is at the mercy of the human who has elected to care for it. I think that neutering is the most responsible option for the dog owner.

Not quite sure I agree with you there. I have owned a number of dogs and bitches, none of which have procreated. Some have been neutered/spayed, some haven`t.

Isn`t providing a secure environment and keeping it on a leash when it`s out and about the most responsible option for the dog owner?

Joe_Sleepy Sep 13th 2010 6:42 am

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8845479)
Isn`t providing a secure environment and keeping it on a leash when it`s out and about the most responsible option for the dog owner?

Absolutely, that said dogs get out. Far better to instill the idea of spaying & neutering as best defense. Not all drunks kill people whilst driving but, sadly, many do..

It's an odd culture that doesn't balk at drowning puppies but can't bring itself to say the word toilet...:confused:

dbd33 Sep 13th 2010 6:56 am

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8845479)
Isn`t providing a secure environment and keeping it on a leash when it`s out and about the most responsible option for the dog owner?

A responsible option but neutering a dog is more reliable and likely to make the dog calmer.

ireland2canada Sep 13th 2010 7:23 am

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8845479)
Not quite sure I agree with you there. I have owned a number of dogs and bitches, none of which have procreated. Some have been neutered/spayed, some haven`t.

You could knock me down with a feather. ;)

Isn`t providing a secure environment and keeping it on a leash when it`s out and about the most responsible option for the dog owner?

In an ideal world, yes, that should be enough. Dogs, however, do not have the same restraint and common sense that humans display on occasion. How would you feel if one of your fertile dogs tunnelled out of your garden, jumped out of your car or otherwise escaped. It then latches on to the nearest female dog who is either willing or too slow to get away. Puppies ensue. Wouldn't you feel like a right shit? Isn't it along the same idea as not educating a male child, then unleashing it upon the rest of the population?

scottandsel Sep 13th 2010 8:56 am

Re: Dog tails
 
i agree to the neutering being part of a responsible dog owner! apart from the unwanted puppies that could possible come about - dont forget that there can be health probs in unspade bitches such as various cancers or pyometria as they age, no false pregnancies either plus the possibility it may calm them - especially males

and also its not very pleasant to have a dog blobbin all over the place either!

Joe_Sleepy Sep 13th 2010 9:01 am

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by scottandsel (Post 8845805)
.....and also its not very pleasant to have a dog blobbin all over the place either!

I've only ever had spayed bitches & never even thought about a "mess"... Put me right off my jam on toast....:blink:

Chookie Sep 13th 2010 11:11 am

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by siouxie (Post 8843256)

I know you are going to ask why I haven't had her neutered already.. the answer being that a) she doesn't interact with male dogs at all, and so cannot get pregnant (I don't think she would let one near her, fussy mare) and b) I just don't have the spare cash to pay for it at the moment.

:unsure:


In my opinion, if you cannot afford to pay for your dog to be spayed, you cannot afford to pay for the medical care she may need if you let her get pregnant... And that goes for the puppies she will have as well.

What if she has problems hving the puppies and needs to have a C-section? That would cost a fortune!

Almost Canadian Sep 13th 2010 11:47 am

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by ireland2canada (Post 8845592)
How would you feel if one of your fertile dogs tunnelled out of your garden, jumped out of your car or otherwise escaped. It then latches on to the nearest female dog who is either willing or too slow to get away. Puppies ensue. Wouldn't you feel like a right shit?

Personally, I wouldn't leave a dog unattended long enough for it to reenact a scene from the Great Escape. I appreciate that some do, not me though:p

Do responsible owners leave their dogs unattended for such periods?


Originally Posted by ireland2canada (Post 8845592)
Isn't it along the same idea as not educating a male child, then unleashing it upon the rest of the population?

How does lobbing its balls off educate it? If such a proposition is correct, shouldn't it be applied to chavs in the UK so that they then have the education to obtain a job?:p

ireland2canada Sep 13th 2010 12:16 pm

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8846208)
Personally, I wouldn't leave a dog unattended long enough for it to reenact a scene from the Great Escape. I appreciate that some do, not me though:p

Your dogs must be sick to death of looking at your face then, if you never ever leave them alone, not even to sleep or take a shower.

Do responsible owners leave their dogs unattended for such periods?

No. Responsible dog owners do not work or leave the house without the dog being attached to their side. A responsible owner will never allow their dog out of their sight for a second. Games of fetch? Hell no!


How does lobbing its balls off educate it? If such a proposition is correct, shouldn't it be applied to chavs in the UK so that they then have the education to obtain a job?:p

It doesn't. Not neutering your dog is akin to keeping your male child ignorant of it's own capabilities. And then saying "But I always know where he is, my Johnny is a good boy".

dbd33 Sep 13th 2010 12:21 pm

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8846208)
Personally, I wouldn't leave a dog unattended long enough for it to reenact a scene from the Great Escape. I appreciate that some do, not me though:p

My donkey escaped. My dog is faster, though less adept.

Almost Canadian Sep 13th 2010 12:25 pm

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by ireland2canada (Post 8846274)
It doesn't. Not neutering your dog is akin to keeping your male child ignorant of it's own capabilities. And then saying "But I always know where he is, my Johnny is a good boy".

I don't see this at all. Quite clearly, once again, you have demonstrated your superior intellect when compared to mine.

I have no idea whether my dog is sick of the sight of my face or not and, once again, you have demonstrated that you simply do not believe that another person's opinion is valid if it doesn't reconcile with your's.

ireland2canada Sep 13th 2010 12:30 pm

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8846288)
I don't see this at all. Quite clearly, once again, you have demonstrated your superior intellect when compared to mine.

I have no idea whether my dog is sick of the sight of my face or not and, once again, you have demonstrated that you simply do not believe that another person's opinion is valid if it doesn't reconcile with your's.

Ha! Quite the leap there AC! I love it when people try to tell me what I believe :D We disagree (shocker) and, right off the bat, you try to label me as someone who thinks they are way smart and who disregards other peoples' opinions. People can disagree you know....no one has to be right or wrong. I think you can do better :zzz:

I think you need to go and have a quiet sit down, maybe tell your dogs all about it. Maybe you don't like it that your unneutered dogs can be likened to rampant, reproducing chavs.

Joe_Sleepy Sep 13th 2010 12:42 pm

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8846208)
Personally, I wouldn't leave a dog unattended long enough for it to reenact a scene from the Great Escape. I appreciate that some do, not me though:p

Do responsible owners leave their dogs unattended for such periods?
On occasion it is unfortunately unavoidable..


How does lobbing its balls off educate it? If such a proposition is correct, shouldn't it be applied to chavs in the UK so that they then have the education to obtain a job?:p

I'm assuming you mean "lopping" although my chav education may have let me down once again & it is in fact proper to lop a stone whilst basking in a well appointed glass house..

Alan2005 Sep 13th 2010 1:16 pm

Re: Dog tails
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 8846288)
Quite clearly, once again, you have demonstrated your superior intellect when compared to mine.

Lets face it, it's not particularly difficult is it.;)

ireland2canada Sep 13th 2010 1:32 pm

Re: Dog tails
 
It's not really a question of braininess though. It's textbook forum passive aggression to react to an opposing opinion by playing the "Oh you must be smarter than silly old me, you don't accept anyone elses' opinion" card.

Oh and cutting off dog tails just ain't right.


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